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“Threads is deepening its ties to the fediverse, also known as the open social web, which powers services like X alternative Mastodon, Pixelfed, PeerTube, Flipboard and other apps. On Wednesday, Meta announced that users on Threads will be able to see fediverse replies on other posts besides their own. In addition, posts that originated through the Threads API, like those created via third-party apps and scheduling services, will now be syndicated to the fediverse. The latter had previously been announced via an in-app message informing users that API posts would be shared to the fediverse starting on August 28.”
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Daily reminder to defederate from and block
threads.net(and optionally all instances that do not do the same).Exactly. Proudly presented by https://fedipact.veganism.social/ and https://fedipact.online/why among others.
You can read the human rights abuses that meta is facilitating above.
So… Instances like lemmy.world, that this is posted to?
yes, I’m federated with them as well, but shit like this is why I dislike them being so big. In the end all the smaller instances can either have strong morals and integrity, or have access to the largest amount of content in the fediverse, but not both.
Ehh mastodon and lemmy don’t see a ton of cross talk. Threads is mainly going to affect mastodon instances.
It’s going to take some effort to have the necessary restrictions while also denying the “help” from major orgs in developing the software
Defedding from threads always seems strange to me. Everyone says it’s to protect your data from meta. But they can already get your data. Everything on the fediverse is public. They already have your data.
It’s not about the data, but the community. Just like how Google killed IRC, big techs are always trying to embrace, extend and extinguish the services.
Public is not the same as public domain.
I’m not a lawyer, but Federation would probably imply consent to sharing the data. Whereas defederation would strongly imply you’re not okay with sharing the data with that entity.
You think they don’t collect data illegally and anonymise it (but keep cohorts) for market research already? You sweet summer child
What I think or what they “may” do is irrelevant regarding public data. What matters is sending a clear signal what you are and are not okay with.
Whether you actively participate in helping them get your data or not might not effectively matter in them acquiring it, but it may heavily impact the fine they get for it afterwards. You might be okay with them getting your data for free, but I’m not, sweet summer child.
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B.Everything we’re posting is public, anyone can cash in on it regardless of who you defederate.
Everyone can break into my house regardless of having a key or not. I still don’t have my key delivered to them.
Everyone can break into the park you visit and talk to people at
I don’t think that’s how it works and it would likely not be legal. By explicitly blocking Threads, you make a big statement about not wanting your instance’s posts to show up there. Also from a technical standpoint, I don’t think a “middle-man” instance will push posts from another instance to a third one. You’d have to explicitly scrape data that’s not available via the API. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
@copygirl @Dirk yes, I also get the feeling this would not work in a compliant setup but it seems like a good idea to test this in e.g. a federation test suite.
Maybe @evanprodromou would know how this should work, or would know of someone who might be testing this kind of scenario.
It’s a way to force your morals on the others.
Maybe we should do a reverse embrace-extend-extinguish where we open everything up until the point that they start introducing ads to enshittify the platform. Then after that great migration say goodbye to them
They can’t place ads in your feeds.
they technically could do this by representing ads with posts.
Why would you subscribe to those? Or are you claiming they would post ads as if they are from a user? In the latter case - the EU would shut them down before they even had time to deploy that.
yeah, I see them being posted into their DB (and therefore federated as) a post as if they are a user. they can earmark that post as an ad and properly present it as such in their own platform but anyone federated would see the post as-is.
they could either obfuscate how they mark it as an ad or just not provide that information at all to federating instances.
then I can totally see them claiming they don’t control other instances and can’t be responsible for whether or not the federated ads are presented as such.
As I have already posted elsewhere in this thread, if they post ads as a user they would get shut down by the EU immediately.
Any other suggestions?
ok but I’m not in the EU nor is my instance so that doesn’t really apply to me.
It depends on how you read posts on Mastadon. I can see methods of developing ways that read Mastadon posts that can hide ads in it.
Please post one of those ways and I’ll shoot it down.
Most platforms (especially reddit, instagram, twitter) moved ads from ad-dedicated spaces, to authentic-seeming posts, that are actually ads.
Sure, but that cannot happen here.
Sure they can. If you can’t see them you might want to consider checking out Monkey Joe’s optometry, they’re pretty cheap and got good stock.
Why would I subscribe to a fake account pushing ads?
That’s exactly the point. There are a lot of users on Threads who might be happy with the Fediverse. Threads will undoubtedly need a put in ads in their app/instance, their enshittification is inevitable. If it becomes easy for users to move over to more friendly Fediverse instances, that is a win.
My bad - I misread. Yeah that’s a good point.
They meant after Threads enshitifies itself and the users migrate to a proper Fedi platform then we block out Threads.
They can still train ML models (create profit) from the data they get from you without consent.
They can do that no matter if I federate with them or not.
And in one of those cases they are violating a very clear “this is not okay” signal, and in the other they are not.
They’re already training on that data. No signals of relevance here.
Who’s the artist of the image? I like the art style
Also the scared Lemmy and mastodon :( I feel bad for them
David Revoy.
Oh sick I didn’t realize it was his work, nice, thank you!
Who are these characters?
Looks like Sepia (Peertube), 藍 ‘Ai’ (Misskey), Mastodon, Fox Tan (Pleroma), and Lemmy.
That same Meta that performs emotional manipulation experiments on its users without informing them or receiving their consent? No, thank you!
To be fair, this is describing all advertising.
THE ENSHITIFICATION OF EVERYTHING MUST NOT INCLUDE THE FEDIVERSE PLEASE
thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Fuck off Zuck, you’re not welcome here.
It’s awesome that Threads federate with Mastodon. I follow several accounts on Threads I otherwise wouldn’t be able to, just as I bridge with Bluesky.
Me federating with Threads makes absolutely no difference whatsoever to what they could or could not do with my data.
Theres no balance when one instance floods the whole network with millions of users. Soon people will mean that “threads” is whole “fediverse” .
ActivityPub is pull, not push. Threads isn’t pushing anything into my feeds.
This is completely wrong.
No.
Guess who wrote Lemmy? https://github.com/dessalines
And?
Well, that convinced me. Thanks for your insight on the matter, I now know how to value the rest of your comments.
I thought it was push after subscription.
Well sure - but you need to actively subscribe (e.g. pull).
Is anyone even using threads?
200 million users apparently, though I think that everyone with an Instagram account was auto-added (or something like that)
I hear yoy but I have literally never heard anyone mention threads since it launched. I mean no one. No one I know personally and no one on any media.
I guess the people we associate with aren’t the kind to be interested, and even if they are there’s apparently nothing worth saying about it
mostly CIA bots
Fuck the Zucc
This won’t affect the Fedipact instances like dbzer0, right?
Nope. But world agreed to it and this could hurt the fediverse in the overall since world is the majority
Yeah that’s the reason why I moved away from lemmy.world.
Same here. Fucking sell outs
Embrace, extend, extinguish.
That’s not how ActivityPub works.
On a technical level, no. You’re right. It would not be possible to capture the protocol entirely. But meta has serious cash to spend on marketing Threads. If they can capture enough of the ActivityPub market and were to collab with Bluesky and use their protocol (I forget the name), or make their own, it’s only a matter of time before the drop activitypub and force users either to join threads or lose access to their users.
Threads and Bluesky are kind of an existential threat to ActivityPub given Meta and Twitter’s track record with Open Graph, bootstrap, and public api’s.
The largest social media operator in the world had to adopt open source concepts and ActivityPub in order to compete. I see this as a huge win.
Unpopular opinion: Threads deepening ties to the fediverse is actually a really good thing for the fediverse as a whole.
I feel like realistically the fediverse will never gain mainstream adoption on its own. People like to believe in this beautiful future where the fediverse “wins out” and beats all the major social media networks, but I just don’t see this happening. This is why I think Threads is actually really important for the growth of the fediverse and realistically one of the only paths to broad adoption.
Beyond this, I also separately really like the idea of being able to use a platform like Threads with my irl friends while still having access to open source clients etc. (ie. preventing situations like the Twitter API debacle which fucked over 3rd party clients)
But why?
Simply put, there aren’t a lot of us, we don’t like them, and we aren’t particularly nice people, even to people we don’t dislike a priori.
It seems like a poor business decision.
