The “Not enough mod tools” complaint is valid and I hope that improves as the platform moves forward.
I DO NOT get the disdain for the Lemmy userbase. I’ve been here for the past 4-5 months and can say I’ve had so many more meaningful and fulfilling conversations here on Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit in the 10 years I was there.
I think it’s the same situation as between a small town and a big city. Reddit is huge and with a large number of people; you’re going to statistically get a larger number of assholes. Not to mention there are tens of thousands of people commenting on anything that hits r/all, so there’s no chance someone else is going to read your 1 comment that is drowning in a sea of other comments.
Lemmy feels more like a small town. Things move a little slower here, but there’s less competition to have your voice heard, and I end up seeing some of the same users time and time again across the Fediverse. I think that smaller feel means more people have a chance to see your content without it getting drowned out by the masses, which means more opportunity to make connections.
Some people suck, but Lemmy has been fucking awesome for me so far and I love this place because of that.
Idk. It seems like that was a bot trying to dissuade people from leaving Reddit. One of the reasons we left Reddit was bc of the bots.
I had that kind of “astroturf-y” feel from the Reddit comment as well, but their opinion about mod tools is not entirely wrong.
The fear-mongering about CSAM being all over the place hasn’t been my experience, though. I’ve never come across CSAM here on Lemmy (sorry to those who have), but I don’t tend to keep NSFW posts on because I cruise Lemmy at work.
I think CSAM isn’t prevalent here because the groups posting it know that they will get nuked from orbit by every other instance for doing so. I think there is still plenty of CSAM content posted on lemmy, but not on the main federated net/web, instead on a private net/web (you can whitelist federate instances, which would likely be what any group of instances handling illicit material would opt for)
CSAM isn’t tagged as NSFW, because it’s trolls (criminals) posting it. I think the admins have been pretty on the ball with removing it though
To be honest, the only CSAM I’ve encountered is having it mentioned during the Purge back when it happened. Nothing else. As far as I know Lemmy is quite well moderated.
CSAM? What is that, I’ve never seen any NSFW at all.
“Child Sexual Abuse Material”. It is the new name for “child pornography”.
Ewwwwww
Can we please stop calling anyone who doesn’t agree with us a bot?
How is that a bot to you?
New users who aren’t defederated from Lemmygrad and hexbear by default are what contribute to that perception
More like predditors are mostly (80%) from US/Canada/Europe and overwhelmingly desire white privilege, and any country and person that opposes it is treated like how Nazis used to treat others as lower humans.
I wonder what toxicity the redditor was referring to
I can definitely say that I have enjoyed interacting with folks on Lemmy more than on reddit. Lemmy has felt like small subreddits even in the larger communities.
Every place on the internet is gonna have people that suck but the vast majority of my interactions here have been nice.
Same here. I have had better experience here than reddit. Much fewer one line / meme responses and more actual discussion on a topic.
I’ve had so many more meaningful and fulfilling conversations here on Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit in the 10 years I was there.
For one thing, it feels there is so much stronger of a push here to read the article instead of just the headline. Especially appreciated when someone adds the article to the post or leaves it in a comment. TLDR bot isn’t for me but it helps.
There’s also so much less of a push to be that meme comment that hits the top. There are still jokes but it’s not this barrage of people trying to be the class clown at the expense of meaningful conversation.
But especially the bots. Holy crap the bots were making it such a headache. The same comment slightly adjusted then posted over and over as replies to top comments for karma farming. The same stolen repost on 20 slightly similar subreddits and it doesn’t really belong on half of them. Not that Lemmy would be immune to this if it were as big as Reddit but sheesh I wish Reddit cared about the quality of content. They’re fine with whatever keeps people coming back and I guess that kind of content appeals to the most people.
I DO NOT get the disdain for the Lemmy userbase. I’ve been here for the past 4-5 months and can say I’ve had so many more meaningful and fulfilling conversations here on Lemmy than I ever did on Reddit in the 10 years I was there.
Personally I have to disagree when anyone says how much nicer, better, greater the community here is. From my experience its pretty much the same as on Reddit by now. You got nice people and you got people who just like to argue for no good reason. But I think thats just how it is online these days and I don’t see it as a bad thing. Just disagree that community-wise this is so much better than Reddit. But I guess thats an unpopular opinion.
I’m glad you shared your experience, honestly.
I’m happy with what I’ve seen here, but I’ll also say that I didn’t hang out in too many smaller subreddits. Even when I did, I saw some vitrol come out on the regular. Maybe the vibe on smaller subreddits is better than Lemmy?
Either way, I’m glad you’re here.
I definitely get the small town feel. Like I regularly run into the same users, even from different instances. No one here tries to be a jerk, at least from what I’ve seen. And when you create content, people actually look and care.
A lot of it is also the instance you are on. Having my account on Lemmy.world I do not have to deal with hexbear for example. They don’t have downvotes on their instance and have a totally different culture from the other instances.
Also, know that a lot of people that ended up on Lemmy are actually the banned rejects from reddit. And maybe seeing they don’t get their “free speech” here either is what made them not believe in the platform.
I have very much been enjoying my time here, most people have been wonderful.
Agreed wholeheartedly. The Lemmy community has been wonderful. People here actually have good conversations, even if they take a few days to do so, unlike the folks on Reddit. Reddit comments were more meme-y and less substantive.
Yeah this is basically like reddit prior to the DIGG migration. People are much nicer here.
Redditalternatives has two types of folks who visit it, the smaller one thinks reddit is shit because of the choices the employees make. The larger one thinks reddit is shit because spooky woke moralist SJW shills paid by George Soros are censoring free speech via coordinated downvote, report, and ban campaigns… Sometimes a person occupies both groups.
The former group likes Lemmy et. al. The latter gets on here, sees a pro union post top of all, shits themselves dehydrated, and leaves to write screeds like that one.
The former group likes Lemmy et. al. The latter gets on here, sees a pro union post top of all, shits themselves dehydrated, and leaves to write screeds like that one.
So you’re saying we should upvote even more pro union content.
I’m doing my part!
Is this collective action to force change?
We have to take a first step if we’re ever going to reach our fully automated luxury gay space communist goals.
One can dream… in the meantime the agenda’s on industrial sabotage and unionizing
shits themselves dehydrated
You have a real way with words. Definitely stealing this one
I don’t really see any hint of the poster being from the latter group though
shits themselves dehydrated
I’m dying
As a 10+ year reddit user who has switched 98% to Lemmy, only checking reddit on my computer every couple days: Lemmy is completely fine, and I have seamlessly transitioned from Reddit.
Its userbase is more technical than Reddit’s, and there’s not as much content. But it is a perfectly good Reddit alternative. I find it isn’t as addictive as reddit, which is awesome. I just wish there were more educational communities akin to AskHistorians, AskScience, etc.
I’m a 15-year user of Reddit. Lemmy right now is very similar to very early Reddit. Reddit’s users were more technical back then, too. I’m betting the early adopters of places like this are usually the technical types.
Another nice thing about Lemmy is that a lot of the low-effort, casual users on Reddit haven’t gotten here yet. Interaction here is definitely a lot more pleasant.
Also 15 year account and 100% agreed.
It’s very akin to reddit ~10 years ago. Grammar nazis, “um actually” and pedantic debates are everywhere. You just have to not engage and consistently remember the other guy is probably a sweaty nerd who cares way more than you do.
The worst part is the pedants aren’t even right most of the time. I’ve seen so many people complaining about perfectly acceptable sentence structure.
I tell myself they’re just younger folks that have been failed by their schools, but then I get sad that they’re younger folks that have been failed by their schools.
Actually, it’s not always young kids, we all suck at grammar and that’s okay. If clear communication took place, who cares?
The problem is that they’re not recognizing clear communication and yet assume anything that confuses them is a mistake made by another.
Let’s be honest - we’re all sweaty nerds here
I actually have a sweating disorder where I sweat all day. I’m also a software engineer.
I finally feel like I belong.
Ditto. No issues with Lemmy here. I mean, there were a couple of annoying communities (to me anyway) but it was easy to block them.
Generally I’ve not noticed any toxic behaviour otherwise. At all.
In fact I was somewhat taken aback at the quality of responses to my last post. It’s going to take me days to research all the options and advice I was given. And from what I could see, most if not all the comments were informative and interesting.
The signal to noise ratio here is excellent, even if the numbers of comments etc are lower.
The only toxic I got was when I accidental posted in a conservative thread without realizing what it was. Basically like /r/conservative. Fortunately I was able to block the instance and move on.
Its* userbase.
That is an incomplete sentence.
It’s not a sentence. Checkmate!
(I upvoted you.)
“sentence fragment”
“‘sentence fragment’ is also a sentence fragment.”
“must conserve battery power”
closes eyes
Big oof. Corrected, to my great and utter shame. I am debased before you, o grammar sage!
Lol glad to help!
mmmm askhistorians was one of my favourite late night prowls.
Lotta people coming here from Reddit expecting 1:1 replacement, and then get pissy that the 2 man dev team that’s just trying to keep up with this sudden burst in activity isn’t at parity with the multi-million dollar company that’s been developing their site for almost 2 decades.
Honestly, I’m just tired of the constant comparison. Lemmy can be it’s own thing. It’s a work in progress and it has a lot of promise, but for anyone looking for their reddit experience, there’s really only one place to get that.
I don’t want Lemmy to be as big as reddit. When it does it’s guaranteed to be enshittified.
It’s an open source project. It has no investors driving it toward user hostile profit seeking which is the primary force behind enshittification. A large user base doesn’t cause it, merely triggers it where the cause is already present.
I’m aware, that doesn’t mean it’s impossible though.
Enshitified is the wrong word imo. Reddit went downhill long before the API changes. Most popular subreddits were filled with karma farming bots spamming the same shit over and over.
By the end I only used reddit for news and niche hobbies.
“Enshittification” is the wrong word for everything. It is both often used incorrectly for what it means, and doesn’t even represent what it means well. People just like it because it has the word shit in it. It’s a bad term and I can’t wait for it to fall into obscurity.
Then tell us how it would happen. You seem to know for sure it’s not impossible.
Instance admins are already compromised sometimes. They can be bribed or get greedy.
Then why aren’t you setting up your own instance? You do have the option.
Because I don’t have to for them to be terrible or to prove what I said is right.
What you said is right, so what? Is your only course of action going to be to loudly moan about it, on an instance whose admins can also be bribed or get greedy as you say?
I don’t have to take action on a fact to have the right to state it.
You might not like the fact that Lemmy admins are just as susceptible to corruption as everyone else, but no one is going to stop saying it simply because you don’t want to hear it. And you can’t bully us into being quiet about it, either.
Also, fuck that guys tone. Condescending prick calling other people pedantic.
Say we’re going to leave Reddit if the API changes go through
Actually leave Reddit
Refuse to elaborate
Get called toxic by the people who chose to stay
Yup, I haven’t even bothered deleting my account. I’ll get to it eventually, but I just don’t go to Reddit anymore. I’ve been hereb since the API announcement (didn’t wait for it to take effect), and I’ve been reasonably happy here.
I will say that lemmy seems a bit more leftist than Reddit, at least in the communities I visit. On Reddit, you’ll get Bernie bros and whatnot, whereas on lemmy there’s a lot of literal socialists/communists. But at least there are fewer far right folks baiting people into one sided debates. I find the socialists and communists easier to detect, so I think lemmy so far wins.
Lemmy isn’t perfect, but it at least doesn’t have ads and I can use why client I want, or build my own. So I’ll stay until I find or build something better (I’m working on an experimental, distributed link aggregator).
I’m a bit of a Bernie bro but some of the communities on here aren’t just left but like extreme left which is… different for sure. They’re at least more tolerable than the “We support free speech but not leftist speech” Republicans and the communities that are too much I can just block and never interact with. While I’m sure I’d still enjoy Reddit if I logged on or went back to the subs I used to be on, I refuse out of principle. I even feel gross when I need to visit subs to get niche tech answers. I won’t ever trust Reddit again and we’ve got some solid meme communities here. It does enough for what it is, I only hope we grow as Reddit continues to burn.
Yup, agreed on most counts.
I consider myself a left leaning libertarian, and I generally feel more welcomed here than on Reddit. I still get lots of down votes for mentioning libertarianism (apparently that’s associated with facism somehow? Not my fault right wing nutjobs tried to steal the term), but I at least get decent discussion about actual policies, especially when I’m left of both major parties. That was a bit more rare on Reddit.
But even if lemmy was actually way worse than Reddit, I’m not going back, that bridge has been burned. If I ever needed to leave lemmy, I would pour more time into my decentralized link aggregator project.
if you’re deleting your Reddit account, you should make your past content all garbage by using Powerdeletesuite
A ton of the info on Reddit is still relevant.
Imagine if all the people who solved niche problems did this. All the information and knowledge they dispersed was deleted because of a grudge against a platform.
That would suck so badly.
So no, I don’t think I will.
Same, I haven’t logged in since Apollo shut down. I occasionally check my small country’s sub through browser, as it’s not active enough on lemmy, but that’s it. I’m super happy with lemmy.
"I don’t like Reddit.
Its interface is ugly as sin. There are fewer users there and they’re all pretentious, extremely liberal, and anti American."
-Some Digg user circa 2008/2009 (probably)
and anti American
Based
One day I will wake up, realize ‘based’ went the way of ‘tubular’ and probably still not have an objective definition.
“Tubular” I can at least trace where it came from. It’s surfer lingo. Sometimes when you catch a wave, the wave crests all the way over you and encloses into a tube. Surfing through that is supposedly the most euphoric thing about the sport. “Tubular” is thus “anything that makes you feel the way a surfer surfing through a tube-shaped wave feels”. Thrill, wonder, excitement, etc.
I have no idea where tf “based” came from. Wiktionary suggests that it ultimately comes from the chemical definition of “base” (i.e. the opposite of an acid). “Freebasing” is a way of converting certain drugs, particularly cocaine, into smokable form by converting them from acid to base. Rapper Lil B. is alleged to have coined “based” to describe his lifestyle as someone who is unafraid to be himself as an individual (which, I guess, included smoking crack). This supposedly filtered into 4chan to become an alt-right slogan for “admirable person who bravely maintains alt-right opinions in spite of adversity” (“based and redpilled”), and later was claimed by groups outside the alt-right to simply mean, “someone with admirable opinions”.
It definitely started gaining traction from based god lil b lol
I think the funniest part about it is how obviously over the top and ridiculous lil b would be, then yeah the alt right tried to take it over but now it’s basically back to the lil b style meaning.
I’m not into the culture so I didn’t want to lean too heavily on this one source. It’s good to have some corroboration!
he talks about it in this interview from 2010, a little more than halfway through the article. afaik, his use is where the slang originates.
https://www.complex.com/music/a/complex/lil-b-talks-getting-sucker-punched-gay-rumors-drake-envy - so sorry about the ugly link, still learning how to do this
Yep, sounds about right for the timeframe, my friends in HS listened to his music, I honestly don’t know if they ironically liked it or not, it’s not “good” but it was pretty funny.
https://youtu.be/nYfceJhgvRM?si=xGLKpXwTq0h6aOsR
Swag swag lmao
As far as imageboards go, I believe lil b was the origin, not mere traction. KYM can hopefully confirm.
My closest guess is “based in reality”.
I was familiar with its use referring to baseheads, and later took it to mean based in facts. https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/based/
I’ve started just blocking all the idiots who use it.
It’s not that big a deal…
It’s not a deal at all. It’s simply a way to identify idiots.
not based
Nope!
Maybe it is to me.
Doesn’t Tubular mean “reminiscent of the Mike Oldfield track”?
Pretentious and extremely liberal still fit perfectly for reddit today. They definitely aren’t anti-american though. They have an unquestioning bloodlust for every US state department adversary
They have an unquestioning bloodlust for every US state department adversary.
Meaning Russia and China, I assume?
replace American with Russian/Chinese and you have modern day Reddit accurately described to a T
The only times I’ve seen toxicity like this is ironically whenever there is a big wave of reddit user influx, things usually settle down for a while as they adapt to the cultures here (or get banned), it’s not as much of an Eternal September as much as it is a Irregularly Scheduled September.
Most of the active comms here are smaller but better quality than their subreddit equivalent. You even get good discussions here on memes sometimes. (Politics and News here still could be better, though.)
For someone who’s been very unhappy with the state of social media for quite a while, Lemmy is a breath of fresh air, even though there are definitely growing pains.
I’d rather deal with this supposedly “toxic” lemmy userbase than sift through a thousand comment post where 900 are bot reposts on reddit
This feels like it was written by someone who has never been on Lemmy because that has not been my experience at all.
Reddit is fucking full of bots astroturfing right wing political nonsense and we’re not getting that on Lemmy because those instances are often defederated.
Or, you know, he’s one of those guys who signed up for world when he should have gone to exploding heads.
This. I have much more quality discussions here than I ever did on Reddit. Not sure wtf they are on about.
I’d say it’s roughly my experience with Lemmy as well tbh.
There are some good discussions to be had here, but I don’t think they’re necessarily wrong about the issues, just a bit overblown.
I think Reddit’s far worse in general though. I think it’s gotten particularly worse over the past few years, it’s almost Facebook levels of people looking at stuff just to make themselves angry.
Half of the /all feed is about obnoxious people and fights these days.
The r/Canada subreddit was taken over by far right wing mods and astroturfed to all hell with Conservative nonsense and Convoy support. I found myself speaking up more and more there because it was full of homophobic, racist antivaxxers and that is not an exaggeration.
Didn’t help that most of us gave up and stuck to /r/onguardforthee
~~I don’t see those fights you speak of, maybe I managed to avoid them ? Genuinely curious. ~~
Edit: I am a moron and cannot read. Thought the poster above was talking about Lemmy…
Half was a ridiculous over exaggeration, but I see so much /r/crazyfuckingvideos and /r/fightporn, /r/imthemaincharacter is another awful subreddit.
Recently people were getting whipped up about that YouTube prankster who got shot, it was posted a ridiculous number of times.
I am sorry I misread your post and thought you talked about lemmy… Haven’t been to Reddit in ages…
Nevermind my question then.
Was there an actual video of the shooting?
It can also depend on the time of day if browsing All or which communities you’re in. Lemmy does have a lot of folks who were banned from various subreddits, but they’re a minority.
Reddit worships NATO and Ukraine. Zelensky last year paid homage to a dead Nazi, and last month with Canada paid homage to another dead Nazi. They simp and thirst for blood so much, that last year there was a post of snowfall picture in Moscow. There were over 400 comments, with about 380 of them removed for asking for nuclear radioactive rain, Holocaust, nukes, genocide, famine and what not.
Anything to the left of supporting Ukraine/NATO is left wing communist narrative to predditors. Their demographics is over 80% US+Canada+WesternEurope.
Reddit is shit, no question, but what’s to the left of supporting Ukraine/NATO in this conflict in your opinion? Supporting Russia? Or something in the middle?
You’re thinking to small. The omega galaxy brain move here is supporting Madagaskar.
imagine 300 page conspiracy theory on how the war in Ukraine is benefiting Madagaskar and how all of this is just one step in a ploy to turn every country into a territory of the new Madagaskan Empire
Supporting Russia/China/BRICS. Acknowledging the fact that USA is a far more censorship laced country than Russia or China are. Acknowledging Ukraine is a Nazi militia proxy for USA’s war against Russia. Acknowledging that rest of the world will benefit from, and wants to crush the “white man’s burden” supremacist trope.
There are two sides to censorship – one being the obvious one that certain content is harder to access (China/Russia), and the other being not so obvious that people are deluded to think they have access to everything, but everything is manipulated and controlled before it exists for access (Anglosphere countries).
As a russian native I don’t think you get the point. Let’s me speak it like no translator can replicate it.
Тебе, бляди (то есть, шлюхе), снаружи удобно выбирать коняшек в этих скачках в безопасности загнивающего капитализма, и мечтать о коммунизме с нефритовым хуем сзади, да по гланды, и ты почему-то охуенно так сильно игнорируешь, что ты отвергаешь одну центро-правую повестку чтобы подрочить свою бибу на открытую фашню, которая прямо заявляет об уничтожении людей по национальному признаку. Никаких тайных уйгуров, всё открыто, всё домтупно для тебя, слепошара. И люди, сука, гибнут. И они продолжат гибнуть пока фашистская пидрастическая гнида не подавится. И ты зовёшь себя леваком, поддерживая это?
Sorry for going too personal tho. That’s not what you are used to. I’m just tired of these arguments.
But better yet: how supporting BRICKS and Russia helps left ideas?
Тебе, бляди (то есть, шлюхе), снаружи удобно выбирать коняшек в этих скачках в безопасности загнивающего капитализма, и мечтать о коммунизме с нефритовым хуем сзади, да по гланды, и ты почему-то охуенно так сильно игнорируешь, что ты отвергаешь одну центро-правую повестку чтобы подрочить свою бибу на открытую фашню, которая прямо заявляет об уничтожении людей по национальному признаку. Никаких тайных уйгуров, всё открыто, всё домтупно для тебя, слепошара. И люди, сука, гибнут. И они продолжат гибнуть пока фашистская пидрастическая гнида не подавится. И ты зовёшь себя леваком, поддерживая это?
You, a removed (that is, a removed), it’s convenient for you outside to choose horses in these races in the safety of decaying capitalism, and dream of communism with a jade dick from behind, and on the tonsils, and for some reason you fucking ignore so much that you reject one center-right agenda to jerk off your biba to an open fash, which directly declares the destruction of people on a national basis. No secret Uighurs, everything is open, everything is available to you, blind man. And people are fucking dying. And they will continue to die until the fascist pederastic nit chokes. And you call yourself a leftist, supporting this?
Nice amount of slurs. Let me guess, you support Navalny?
Pinging @[email protected] to check this one out.
libs are the same everywhere
What is going on with this dude? Is there more to it?
I answered this person before, Feel free to join. I’m no lib and I’m living here.
Hello, internet person. Why did you assume I support Navalny of all people? And which of my slur, a part of our usual local banter, offended you? Your google translate could’ve failed you big time.
I assume you don’t even understand what’s going there on a local grassroots level. But you can prove me wrong. Bonus points if you say what was wrong or right with Navalny in the early 10s. It feels you have a very particular vision on this person.
tagging in your friend to dogpile on someone just makes you look like an asshole
Not exactly, they can read Russian and are remarkably intelligent geopolitically with a good moral compass. Is that an issue for you?
О, дополнительный лулз.
Тяга про-западных блядей к проекциям грехов хозяев на Россию и Китай - это не ново, в конце концов вы, карго-культисты, за хозяевами только повторять и можете, но не перестаёт быть смешным, что псевдолевые дегенераты, искренне считающие себя свободными мыслителями, с пеной у рта защищают центр империализма и главных спонсоров геноцидов, просто потому, что были шокированы реальностью в какой-то момент и не выросли из абстрактного гуманизма.
Lol, the user doesn’t seem to realize that if everywhere you go and comment, if absolutely everyone is an asshole, then maybe it’s you that’s the problem…
Yes I was thinking in those lines. If they deliverd garbage and then was annoyed that they got garbage back.
There’s also a chance everyone else is actually an asshole, but here that almost definitely isn’t it.
True.
Guy is hundred percent right. Lemmy is a echo chamber for a certain demographic as vast majority of users are in it.
We either have tech, or politics. Literally every topic ends up in either. We also don’t have the differing opinions aspect as just about every debater talks like they’re just the different shade of the same color.
Even spicy news that would make any other site a warzone of opinions just echo chambered here. Literally everyone agrees on one conclusion and random two comments that disagree with that having at least -15 points.
To name a few (note, I am only refering to the loud obnoxious minority, not the majority who are mostly cool)
- Linux: too over the top fanboying a times, and the distro war can be absurd here; this coming from me, a full-time Linux user
- Atheism: yes, I know religion is stupid; but you know what else is stupid, trying to force feed your opinion; I mean, we can’t even joke about church wifi name here
- Vegan: no, bashing meat eaters won’t make them stop eating them, they’ll just hate you more
- American Politic: no, not everything is about your shit, that orange business man/ex-president in an orange suit doesn’t affect the rest of the world
Atheism: yes, I know religion is stupid; but you know what else is stupid, trying to force feed your opinion; I mean, we can’t even joke about church wifi name here
Sure you can. Look again at your link. You linked straight to one heavily down voted comment thread under that post. Click the view all comments link and you can see that virtually all the other comments there are positive, mainly, other funny wifi names. If you find one negative post, already heavily down voted, to be too much negativity for you then you are not going to be happy anywhere on the internet.
Yes, you are right, it has become more positive recently. When I first saw this, the comment in question had a positive point. Perhaps due to different timezone (some would be asleep while others awake)?
Also: look at the number of people who upvotes that shit.
Yeah reddit is already a tiny bit of an echo chamber (tech savvy, frequently online folks). Lemmy is worse (every other post is "big tech bad, Linux good, privacy ftw). Not that these are necessarily bad things, they’re just not representative of the general population.
I would love to get the opinions of people who fall for Nigerian Prince scams, or people who actually click the ads that say “There are hot singles in your area” just to diversify my niche online social group.
they’re just not representative of the general population.
Good. If I wanted the general population, I’d scroll Facebook
The general population:
spoiler
Reddit has echo chambers in the different subreddits, and they can be about as vicious or more than Lemmy instances.
There are so many “Well Acshually” people here. It’s insane.
Well Actually not enough. Debate things till the end and know what is right.
We need some form of wiki to manage those debates so that we only have them once.
We either have tech, or politics.
You forgot about Star Trek memes. Although often those are about tech and politics.
Star Trek memes are the only things keeping me on platform lmao
This is what 35 years of right-wing talk radio turning any cultural event into a political crusade has gotten us. The right wing echo chamber has brain-poisoned so many Americans, that they no longer have any non-political schemata for interpersonal interaction on any topic.
Want to talk about how to keep the Internet fast and secure? That’s political now.
Want to talk about the science behind the causes of climate change? That’s political now.
Want to talk about making anyone’s life better in any material way, other than a blood-sucking c-suite executive? That’s political now.
Want to talk about medicine? Oh you betcha that’s political now.
Rush Limbaugh, Roger Ailes, Lee Atwater, and Fox News have caused this. And I have no problem calling them out for it. Think saying-so is “political?” Screw off. I don’t care if your politics get in the way of everything that’s interesting to discuss. Deal with it, or move to Saudi Arabia where conservatives would be happiest.
I agree. But candidly I feel like there are bots that contribute to the voting.
100% agree. I’m literally only here because I can’t tolerate Reddit anymore and I’m addicted to having some bullshit to read on my phone.
This isn’t a great website guys sorry. I don’t have a better option, and I dont have suggestions on how to make it better. You can’t. It’s a society issue, not a tech or gui issues. I’m not sure I can think of a single website that I enjoy visiting anymore. I’m addicted; it’s a habit I’m trying to break slowly.
Lemmy has just enough engagement so that I don’t feel like I’m browsing a cemetery, and it’s my methadone currently for my dwindling reddit addiction.
And before you try to tell me this isn’t just another toxic shithole, last time I expressed this sentiment, several users messaged me to let me know I didn’t need to be alive if I chose to go that route. I don’t even care. I expect it everywhere online now. But it speaks volumes about how fucked up the internet has made us all.
Yes, I’m gonna go touch some grass, and no, you arent gonna talk me into walking off a tall ledge, so don’t waste your breath please. I only logged in to make this comment so if someone else out there feels the same way, they don’t feel like such a out of place wierdo. How toxic has the internet become when I can’t even feel free to be a little bit vulnerable like this without this disclaimer? Is this the experience you wanted?
Disclaimer: I’m a shithead too, and I’m 100% positive I’ve been a cunt to people here without good cause before as well. Not claiming to be a great user 100% of the time, I’m human, and flawed also, and not all of my ideologies are yours.
Also: there’s like 2 topics on this entire fucking platform, and the mods are just as power hungry without any actual accountability at all.
Seems like this person’s main problem is that they went to lemmy.world, which does basically seem like a collection of all the worst redditors.
I’d say a lot of users, perhaps even most, on lemmy.world are just fine, but I’ve seen some wildly bad behavior from their mods (e.g., one of their politics mod making a mod-flaired comment about how “The United States is not a racist nation,” like what)
Deploying Cloudflare as a “temporary” measure, only to never remove it, makes me pissed. Cloudflare was originally Project Honeypot that aligns with NSA’s job.
TBH for a liberal Western-facing website there is no better alternative.
(e.g., one of their politics mod making a mod-flaired comment about how “The United States is not a racist nation,”
Lmao what? The heart of the global empire is somehow not racist now, despite all the evidence to the contrary? After all the police killings of unarmed black men, how can anyone believe that?
Probably the same type of person who’d complain about reddit being too “left leaning.” We’re not talking about people with a reasonable or healthy array of takes.
one of their politics mod making a mod-flaired comment about how “The United States is not a racist nation,”
ngl incredibly glad we’re not federated with those guys
I mean, is it? Because I’ve found it to be an overall better experience so far. Am I just not going to the right instances/communities? I mean, I get that there are some fucked up places in the Fediverse, but I haven’t been actively looking for them, and I haven’t accidentally stumbled across anything so far.
Yeah I think we’re on the good lemmies 😁
TL;DR: no. Definitively no.
NTL;R: Okay… let me chew on this.
Lemmy as a whole is definitively more toxic than Reddit
For me, at least, non-contributive (“toxic”) [see footnote*] behaviour would be: assumptions (including witch hunting), decontextualisation, “didn’t read but still replying lol lmao”, insults, “I dun unrurrstand”, whining + entitlement, and “chrust me” = “I take you for gullible”. And those things happen far, far less in Lemmy than in Reddit.
For the poster complaining about Lemmy, “toxic” would be, instead:
- pedants - pedants are fine as long as context-aware. And even then, I don’t recall a single pedant screeching at my L3 broken English here, unlike in Reddit.
- purity testers - this can be interpreted 1000 ways.
- concern trolls - yet another thing far more present in Reddit than here…
- contrarians - “oh no what I say should be put in a holy altar, how do you dare to disagree with MEEEEEE?”. Sorry but contrarians are leagues above the sort of circlejerking that you see in Reddit, where you’d get 1000 weaboos screeching because you wrote “animes”.
- “ackshyually” - refer to what I mentioned already about context. Those “ackshyually” are caused by decontextualisation, that happens far more often in Reddit.
I know that what I’m going to say is anecdotal, but it’s still worth sharing: I see the difference specially because I used to moderate a small Reddit sub, and I mod a Lemmy comm nowadays. People here are more reasonable and contributive; I barely need to intervene here, and even then 99% of the time it’s like “don’t do that” “okay”. In Reddit though? Well.
I was on Lemmy.word for slightly over a month and posted many times across numerous communities and instances, so I definitively gave it my best shot.
Depending on which instances yours federates with, you’ll get a different experience. lemmy.world and lemm.ee in special tend to gather Reddit-like critters alongside a few good posters, so instances where behaviour is a bit more monitored (such as beehaw) tend to defederate them.
Also Lemmy has backend issues
I’m no coder to claim that the issues are “backend” or “frontend”. Instead I’ll say the issues that I see:
- papercuts, like the bell icon staying even after you checked all messages
- a lack of mod tools
- rarely lemmy.ml (the instance that I’m in) slows down.
- In the past it used to show errors and refuse to load, but I don’t recall this happening nowadays.
And it never showed a downtime banana. - can’t cross-instance linking posts in a convenient way
So… come on, the platform works. It has its issues, it’s likely worse from lemmy.world due to the amount of posters, but it works.
Bad actors
Name them. Otherwise it boils down to “chrust me”. Unless referring to the CSAM event below.
lemmy.world comm being bombarded with CSAM […] Imagine if a subreddit had to be shut down because of this.
I seriously believe that the approach taken by the lemmy.world admins to close down !lemmyshitpost was more sensible than the actions that I’d expect any Reddit instance (oh wait, there’s only Spez’s) to take. If the same happened in 2023 Reddit, here’s what would likelyhappen:
- subreddit mods ask for help to the admins, “we’re being bombarded with CSAM”. They hear admin crickets in return.
- mods lock subreddit to avoid the bombardment. u/ModCodeOfConduct forces them to reopen.
- mods eventually give up and leave. The sub becomes unmoderated and attracts paedophiles until you got a full paedo ring…
- the paedo ring grows large enough to get a mod outrage of 9001 subs.
- Spez deletes the sub while making a public announcement, like “WE SNOOS STAND AGAINST PAEDOPHILIA!” (cough former Reddit admin Aimée Challenor cough cough)
- the original userbase of the subreddit has no equivalent community to go to, because unlike in Lemmy you’re expected to have a single sub per subject.
and sees an influx of kinder people
Dude. You’re in Reddit. That’s the pot calling the kettle black. Reddit makes even Faecesbook’s community look wholesome in comparison, it’s on par with modern Twitter. Lemmy is considerably nicer than Reddit.
And if you still want something nicer there’s always Beehaw. I’m being serious - for people who want/need an environment with more monitored behaviour, it’s a go-to place. Provided of course that you don’t want to eat the cake and have it too, by behaving in a way that you don’t want others to, otherwise they’ll show you the door.
Footnote
It’s a bit of off-topic, but this post is a great example on why I don’t like the word “toxic”. It refers to everything and nothing at the same time; it boils down to “I don’t like this”, but dresses it as if it was an intrinsic feature of the object (in this case, Lemmy or Reddit). Note how the list of things that I’d consider “toxic” are completely unlike the person complaining about Lemmy, and if you gather a third person odds are that you’ll get a full list of other things to be considered “toxic”.
Looks like I did not need to come and write a thesis. Certified comment.
I think what they meant by contrarians is people who disagree for the sake of disagreeing without any actual argument , usually in order to stir up drama or engage in a circlejerk
