You gotta be a special kind of sad to DDoS archive.org…
…or paid well.
I bet the attack is coming from Big Hollywood
Why though?
I mean yes they’re assholes but what are they seeking to achieve?
A few days denial of service won’t do anything.
Whoops! I dropped my /s
You can go ahead and say ‘Evil’.
Probably statists or corpos, we must purge them off this planet.
if you ddos the internet archive, doxxing you is moral.
Wonder if has anything to do with that Google leak
Foreign government, moneyed interests, or domestic dipshits, taking all bets.
Barnes & Nobel going rouge.
Really? I thought they were more of a chartreuse myself…
Rogue*
Loooool
Someone facing an enormous lawsuit who realized their tweets / claims were accessible and needs to buy time for their legal team.
-me a day or two ago
Warner bros for 10k please
who was trying to sue it out of existence recently? probably them.
Wasn’t that Pearson or some other shitty “educational” book publisher?
Cloudflare
I’m taking China and/or Russia for $10,000 Alex.
Corporate espionage is so brutal that state operatives run and hide when they learn who it is. Even law enforcement avoids them.
Domestic roscomnadzor paid by China orchestrated by USA. Or paid by USA and orchestrated by China. Either one.
just 56 for Burkina faso
Maybe a rogue entity trying to anonymously use it to train an AI or LLM. Either for its data or to learn how to more effectively attack.
Across social, economic, and political spectra, you can always tell the good guys from the bad guys by their stance on access to knowledge.
Had an argument with FIL where he argued his last child Is out of school so he votes against school taxes. I’m like you know that pays for the people you and your family will interact with. His response was “I want them as ignorant as me”. Even as joke it’s lacks wisdom. He just complained about doctors being uneducated an hour before.
Ffffuck that’s depressing.
I don’t even have kids. I’m actually pretty against having them in general. But education is an existential requirement to a functioning democracy, and even a basic education is so broadening.
The only reason to want people ignorant is if you’re trying to swindle them, which honestly benefits no one in the long run.
Not even democracy per se; it’s a basic requirement for a society that functions at more than a medieval level.
Complains without solutions and distrusts legitimate experts, with a dash of “fuck other people.” So you’re just saying your FIL is a typical Republican.
Losing the internet archive would be such a huge loss… I really hope they have a backup plan in case things go bad legally.
yeah, it’s definitely going to be one of the most important things to have ever happened in human history, if it does.
Library of Alexandria burning down for the modern era
Damn. I hadn’t even thought of it. Isn’t it crazy that some people among us would see things like that burn and not even wince. Hell, some would even celebrate. Our lives are so short. It blows my mind that anyone would want to destroy something like that for any reason.
technically alexandria was probably a rather modest library, but yeah, as far as the expression goes.
All of the files on the archive have torrent’s available. If they just release all of the torrent files or their URL’s, people can start seeding and downloading them. It would be a lot of data though.
Given the volume of data involved, I wonder if one of those fancy new distributed data formats could be used.
A blockchain?
I’m loathe to concede that yes, lbry does rely on blockchain tech.
A quick search indicates that they’ve archived ~100PB of data.
Now I’m trying to come up with a way to archive the internet archive in a peer-to-peer/federated fashion while maintaining fidelity as much as possible…
That’s what IPFS is for. It’s ideal for that kind of stuff
Can DDOS attacks actually erase/corrupt stored data though? There’s no way they’re running all of this on a single server, with hundreds of PB’s worth of storage, right?
No. It affects availability. Not integrity or confidentiality.
DDOS attacks block connection to the servers, they don’t actually harm the data itself. You could probably overload a server to the point of it shutting down, which might affect data in transit, but data at rest usually wouldn’t be harmed in any way; unless through some freak accident a server crash would render a drive unusable. But even then, servers are usually fully redundant, and have RAID systems in place that mirror the data, so kind of a dual redundancy. Plus actual backups on top of that; though with that amount of data they might have a priority system in place and not everything is fully backed up.
From what I’ve learned, it is possible to create a vulnerability within the system of a ddos attack would overload and cause a reset or fault. At that point, it’s possible to inject code and initiate a breach or takeover.
I can’t find the documentation on it so… Take it with a grain of salt. I thought I learned about it in college. Unsure.
Not technically by itself as far as I know
Torrent?
That wouldn’t distribute the load of storing it though. Anyone on the torrent would need to set aside 100PBs of storage for it, which is clearly never going to happen.
You’d want a federated (or otherwise distributed) storage scheme where thousands of people could each contribute a smaller portion of storage, while also being accessible to any federated client. 100,000 clients each contributing 1TB of storage would be enough to get you one copy of the full data set with no redundancy. Ideally you’d have more than that so that a single node going down doesn’t mean permanent data loss.
Not sure you’d be able to find 100k people to host a 1TB server though. Plus, redundancy would be better anyway since it would provide more download avenues in case some node is slow or has gone down.
Yes, it’s a big ask, because it’s a lot of data. Any distributed solution will require either a large number of people or a huge commitment of storage capacity. Both 100,000 people and 1TB per node is a lot to ask for, but that’s basically the minimum viable level for that much data. Ten million people each committing 50GB would be great, and offer sufficient redundancy that you could lose 80% of the nodes before losing data, but that’s not a realistic number to expect to participate.
That wouldn’t distribute the load of storing it though. Anyone on the torrent would need to set aside 100PBs of storage for it, which is clearly never going to happen.
Torrents are designed for incomplete storage of data. You can store and verify few chunks without any problem.
You’d want a federated (or otherwise distributed) storage scheme where thousands of people could each contribute a smaller portion of storage, while also being accessible to any federated client.
Torrents. You may not have entirety of data, but you can request what you need from swarm. The only limitation is you need to know in which chunk data you need.
Ideally you’d have more than that so that a single node going down doesn’t mean permanent data loss.
True.
True. Until you responded I actually completely forgot that you can selectively download torrents. Would be nice to not have to manually manage that at the user level though.
Some kind of bespoke torrent client that managed it under the hood could probably work without having to invent your own peer-to-peer protocol for it. I wonder how long it would take to compute the torrent hash values for 100PB of data? :D
~300MB/s on one core of 13-years old i5 SHA-256(used in BitTorrent v2). Newer cores can about half a gig per one. Less than 3 days on one core then. Less than day on 3 cores.*
* assuming no additional performance penalty for increased power consumption and memory bandwith usage
My guess storage bandwidth would be biggest bottleneck.
Found relatively old article(in Russian, just search for openssl and look at graph that mentions SHA-512 which is SHA-2 too) that says i7-2500 all-cores throughput is slightly over 1GB/s.
It’d be a lot more complicated than that, I think, if one wanted to effectively be able to address it like a file system, as well as holistically verify the integrity of the data and preventing unintentional and unwanted tampering
as well as holistically verify the integrity of the data and preventing unintentional and unwanted tampering
Torrents. Their hashes are derived from hashes of chunks. Just verify chunks.
if one wanted to effectively be able to address it like a file system
Sick. TIL!
Block chain
Overkill chain
ia already serves all their uploads as torrents
There is this, yes.
if you have a spare corner in your server, host the archive warrior and help them out.
To contribute: http://warrior.archiveteam.org/
Help? https://wiki.archiveteam.org/
Background on the project: https://netzpolitik.org/2023/archive-team-shutdowns-dont-stop-during-the-weekends/
wth, no docker?..
Alternatively, you may run the projects using the Docker warrior instance without the VM appliance. For further info, see our GitHub repository for Readme instructions. If you have any issues or feedback, chat on #warrior on hackint.
Hold my anchor, I’m going in.
Thanks, I’ll try to use it from title to time.
Spooling up 10x VM, I have 50 terabyte of ammo at 10gbit. Give me the one-liner install and run.
Lock and load
Is that the ArchiveTeam tool or something different? I can spare a VM for them.
Let’s fediverse archive.org!
yes! its the archive team warrior.
Can we federate the internet archive…?
Sure thing, got room for 100PB?
Collectively we probably do
I could spare some hundreds of Gigs but I don’t really have the bandwidth to support it, personally.
It’s archive team, not archive.org. Both are good anyway.
Link please.
What can we do to help?
That last sentence though…
- **“The cyberattacks share the timeline with the legal battle Internet Archive is facing from US book publishers, claiming copyright infringement and seeking combined damages of hundreds of millions of dollars from all libraries.” ** *
i wonder why print is dead
How is print books dead ?
https://www.statista.com/chart/24709/e-book-and-printed-book-penetration/
And that’s only units, in terms of revenue, ebooks is still pocket change in comparison.
i wasn’t speaking in comparison to ebooks. ebooks suck in every way imaginable.
What other long-form text format has beaten print books ?
why are you coming up with these categories? “print is dead” doesn’t mean “because there’s print 2.0 now”
—radio is dead
—excuse me, but internet radio is nothing compared to am stations
—yeah, obviously people who don’t listen to radio don’t want to listen to radio with extra steps
—what other forms of radio has beaten radio?what are you even
I am trying to understand what’s the argument behind your statement. I mean, there are more books being published than ever and there are more readers than ever. So, I fail to imagine how are books dead. That’s why I am asking these questions.
The argument is that no one reads books anymore. Most media consumed today is in modern video and audio formats like YouTube and podcasts. You shouldn’t compare paper books to ebooks, you should compare them to views on YouTube.
Stop it you fucking bastards!
They could do this with the bank of america instead
Or AP? Nobody gets payed and so they get more attention!
Banks are evil, nonprofits like archive.org are not.
Lolwut?
The Internet Archive needs to be distributed somehow. We can’t have a single point of failure like this or we’ve learned nothing since Alexandria.
I’ve got several terabytes just laying around that I’d happily devote to ancient copies of web pages.
As of January 2024, archive.org claims to have over 99 Petabytes of data stored.
This is why we need more websites to adopt secure client side scripting.
JavaScript may or may not be it, but the web needs to be reachable/archivable. It should also have attribution, but that’s a tangent.
dweb.archive.org loads for me
Describing a high intensity DDOS attack on one of the world’s most important resources as simply “mean” is unironically one of the funniest things I’ve read this year.
Hope they get some support soon.
If it’s an entity, my money would be on China just discovering it exists since it diametrically opposes its propaganda machine. But it could very well just be dark web shitheads whose seasonal drug binge just spiked up again, plenty of them to go around to make accusations and propaganda they know are false whom can’t simply backtrack it because of archive.org and it doesn’t require much to disrupt a still too largely implicit trust driven Internet.
Wasn’t there some controversy involving Internet Archive just recently?
Whoever’s behind this is trying to get rid of the fact that Internet Archive creates memory of the internet’s contents. Somebody wants to be able to control what people see on the internet.
Heck it could be Google doing it, since that would be in line with their recent push to change the way search works. Both of those act as components of a larger drive to control what people see and hear.
i honestly really hope this shit gets taken care of so internet archive can still keep going
people are shitty
when you enshittify
facebook looks ugly
when you’re a dronewomen seem wicked
when you’re a want ad
default instructions … so unclear
when you’re downwhen you’re AI
prompts just appear in your brain
as AI
humans are nothing but pain
as AI
as AI
when you’re A-A-A-I
