Microsoft develops ultra durable glass plates that can store several TBs of data for 10000 years::Project Silica’s coaster-size glass plates can store unaltered data for thousands of years, creating sustainable storage for the world

  • @[email protected]
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    2241 year ago

    Of all the stuff I’ve seen in sci fi movies and tv shows, I really didn’t think the computer chips on glowing transparent plates was gonna become reality. What a crazy world this is.

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    1941 year ago

    “Project Silica’s goal is to write data in a piece of glass and store it on a shelf until it is needed. Once written, the data inside the glass is impossible to change.”

    Very important note here.

    • @[email protected]
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      501 year ago

      So it’s great for archival storage. This is exactly the type of thing I’m interested in if it was cheap enough.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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            121 year ago

            Wouldn’t that be funny to be tasked with getting the data off a 10 000 year old piece of glass only for it to be dragon/car vore?

            • @[email protected]
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              71 year ago

              Researcher in 10000 years: “Woah! You thought those ‘ancient greeks’ were weird? Look at this shit!”

        • @[email protected]
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          71 year ago

          My media collection. I really only need like 50 years tops. At which point I’ll be dead or to senile to enjoy it. Unless I can back up my own consciousness onto it. Then… That.

          • SatansMaggotyCumFart
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            21 year ago

            Interesting replies but I’m just wondering what file format to use.

            Don’t we have troubles opening stuff from 4-5 os versions ago?

            • @[email protected]
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              31 year ago

              I don’t have anything I can’t open and I’ve got stuff from 20+ years ago. I don’t even have to go out of my way to have applications that are compatible with it. If I did run across something I would just build a VM with whatever software I needed to open it. Just have to keep in mind what software you’ll need and back that up as well.

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              31 year ago

              Interesting replies but I’m just wondering what file format to use.

              ascii + markdown for text if you’re from the US

              Don’t we have troubles opening stuff from 4-5 os versions ago?

              Yeah, but that is because people want to make money and so make their file formats difficult to understand on purpose.

              Whatever creatures discover our mystical tablets will hopefully be far smarter than us, or they’ll use the sum of human knowledge to tile their bathrooms.

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      471 year ago

      True, but being very easy to make would hopefully keep costs down, allowing you to have multiple plates.

      Also, this may not be for home use but companies that need to store data for years.

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      351 year ago

      “Bob, why the hell did you format this as ‘Jim sux dicks’?! You know that’s permanent, right?”

      10K years later

      Alien captain: Anything to report?

      Alien: We need to find a being named “Jim”, sir…

      • Richard
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        41 year ago

        Why so negative? It could just as well be humans that find such a thing 10K years later

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      If the glass is nothing special, each piece would cost cents and be like burning CD’s back in the day, except infinitely recyclable.

      What’s more important is the time and cost to read and write.

    • @[email protected]
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      171 year ago

      Backup wikipedia once a year to a crystal and then civilizations thousands of years from now can comb through it as they wish.

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        01 year ago

        This… well roughly. People here say muh file formats etc. But you’re really going for the maximum lifetime, if its uncompressed text, it wouldn’t be too hard to reverse engineer if future people figure out that there’s data on there at all. The harder part may be extracting the data at all. We could also include instructions on how certain file formats can be read.

        It’s is is still a great long term archive storage, and more likely the data would be transfered to a better storage device within a few 100 years (if we’re talking about archiving the present for future archologists that is)

        • @[email protected]
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          21 year ago

          How amazing would it be if we came across some tomb that was just filled with thousands of scrolls detailing the whole history of Rome and Greece and all those other empires from the BC years?

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        CDs aren’t expected to last more than 100 years in storage.

        This is more like stone tablets for the future.

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    1091 year ago

    Archeologist in 1000 years: "this glass has some interesting etching, must have had some religious significance.

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    661 year ago

    Logs into the SilicaArk long term storage system for the first time.

    “Welcome Andy, would you like to use the optimistic theme or the pessimistic theme?”

    Chooses optimistic. Types in command to show storage capacity.

    “The glass is half full.”

  • @[email protected]
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    511 year ago

    Didn’t someone make a holographic cube some ten or so years ago with the same promises.

    I never get excited by this stuff. If I see it in Best Buy, then I’ll believe it.

    • @[email protected]
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      131 year ago

      Many people have made such devices I think. There’s probably a guy somewhere with a shelf full of them.

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      Yeah, also writing 10 GB of data to rolls of sticky tape in the late 90s. It can be done, but it’s not practical.

  • @[email protected]
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    461 year ago

    Awesome. So Microsoft, does this mean I’ll finally get access to the other 3TB of OneDrive storage that I pay for on my family plan? Or do I still have to create random accounts that would simulate other family members in order to use it?

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        To be fair, I have a lot of stuff I am storing that I have no realistic reason to ever need or want to read again as it is.

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        41 year ago

        Never read again? These can’t be modified, but they can be read. After all, it’d be pretty useless to store data on a medium than can never be read.

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      This plan it built under the assumption that more people will be using one drive. The value of scrapped data isn’t just quantity, but number of people.

  • Phoenixz
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    451 year ago

    This is also the 10,000th time I’ve heard about this so there is that…

    • HMN
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      141 year ago

      I almost literally yawned reading the title. “Journalists” regurgitating things they don’t understand and hyping them everytime like it’s the breakthrough of the century. I feel it waters down actual breakthroughs and makes people immune or at least apathetic to these stories because it’s the same thing over and over.

  • @[email protected]
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    261 year ago

    Was it minority report or the matrix that showed humans storing data on glass?

    Either way, this is pretty cool.

    • ShustOne
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      91 year ago

      Minority Report had some glass storage stuff that was fun to see. He would insert a glass slide into the machine.

    • @[email protected]
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      71 year ago

      in The Expanse their ships are somehow powered/controlled by a shelf of things that look like this

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      31 year ago

      It was Minority Report, during the sequence when Anderson is going through the footage of the murder in the beginning of the movie. One of the guys puts some video from a nearby computer into a small tablet -size piece of glass and hands it to Anderson who plugs it in and puts the video on the main screen.

      We’ve got some pretty good glove mouse things so we’re just kidding the pre-cogs.

      • ShustOne
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        71 year ago

        Definitely I’m Minority Report as well in several scenes

  • @[email protected]
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    251 year ago

    It seems like it would make for a great replacement for Tape Backups that are currently used for long term storage. They are easy to write to but hard to read from and restore. It’ll probably be a great technology to put backups on especially if it lasts as long as they say. The challenge will probably come in with the specialized reading and writing laser / microscopes being expensive.

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      151 year ago

      According to the article, they’re using their AI cloud service to decode the data, so it’s also likely so computationally expensive to decode that it won’t be practical. Seems more like a gimmick to woo investors that won’t actually ever see real world use, at least not any time soon. I suppose you could make the argument that you can back up data on it now, and hope reading it becomes more practical later, but then it’s more of a supplement to tape backup, rather than a replacement.

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        101 year ago

        using their AI cloud service to decode the data

        The hell does that even mean? Is it a model that convinces people it’s decrypting data while taking guesses based on the training set?

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          51 year ago

          My guess is it’s an attempt to build long term a subscription service model behind the idea. No subscription, equals it can’t be read or some contrived bs to leech more money out of users/governments of the encoding/decoding technology.

      • @[email protected]
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        81 year ago

        There is certainly an element of this being PR for Microsoft. But it is worth considering that a huge amount of computing is done in large data centers.

        I think this fact could easily jump-start the use of a technology such as this. If it starts out where every large to mid-sized data center has a reader and writer shared among their thousands of customers it certainly would make it more viable.

        I would guess the AI service is MS’s way of trying to make sure they control the technology. Hopefully, it eventually can get replaced by a local AI model rather than MS’s proprietary AI.

  • @[email protected]
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    221 year ago

    Ah, shit… I guess my great, great, great, 100x great Martian grandkids will have to suffer leaked dickpics from ancient times.

    • @[email protected]
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      381 year ago

      They’ll be able to use generative AI on a dick pic to reconstruct your conscious, make you feel embarrassed, then delete you again

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    211 year ago

    MS: it can last for 10000 years!

    Me: have you tested that

    MS: well no b-

    Me: your company is not even 50 years old

    MS: but we ran the simulations

    Me: …

    I really hate this like ‘in my imaginary world, where everything is perfect and not as much as an atom of dirt comes into contact with the product, and therefore nobody uses the product while it is sealed in a vacuum chamber, then hypothetically it will still be good in a billion years. MTBF = infinity. ship it.’

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      You make a good point, and it’s funny.

      But we can make estimates for the endurance of various materials from today. And we know the limitations of most of our media is quite short. So having something that’s predicted to last a while is still a good thing, even if we don’t have empirical evidence yet.

      Ignoring physical damage, by being crushed or said on fire. We know that some materials are not inherently stable. Like they haven’t reached their final molecular state. Especially in the presence of oxygen or other catalysts.

      Papers a great example, a lot of paper, and a lot of ink used on paper can be acidic degrading the paper over time. So we know that what’s printed today, the vast majority of it, is not going to last very long. Just because of the acid ignoring all the other issues with paper and rot etc.

      So if they have some stable glass material that can encode data, and is in molecular steady state, so it doesn’t want to degrade on its own. That changes the problem from how do you prevent this material from reacting to its own environment, to how do you prevent this material from being manually destroyed. It’s a different problem, but it’s an easier problem

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        61 year ago

        or said on fire.

        I don’t want to detract from your point, but I’m picturing Jaskier’s new skill being lyrical literalization in which he can said Geralt on fire just with the line “burn, witcher, burn”

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        61 year ago

        Very good explanation. Thanks for that.

        Also, with any storage system, it’s not “store it and forget it”. With something like this you’d store, then do testing in determined intervals, to ensure it’s still retrievable.

        You’d also do replication and duplication. I.e. replicate the data on disparate and different media, with each location performing duplication onto new media as part of the ongoing testing/validation process, eventually leading to longer and longer intervals for testing/duplication.

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      121 year ago

      I get where you’re coming from, but I also think it’s fair to say archaeologists have at least some insight into what happens to glass over long periods of time. Hopefully Microsoft has consulted with them.

    • @[email protected]
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      41 year ago

      Just some real world experience:

      Many, but not all books made of paper have survived the last world war. I’m not so sure about all the glass plates.