I’m all for it.
No. Stop.
This is the definition of interrupting your enemy when they’re making a mistake.
Let them kill windows 10, I have atleast 5 friends ready to switch to linux when Windows 10 hits EOL.
As a gamer, proton/lutris still isn’t quite to the point that I am ready to make the jump. It’s very close though and I’m going to make the switch probably in the next 24 months.
Typically, imo, most people who aren’t ready to jump to Linux are there because their top couple of games are ruled by arrogant devs/publishers who balk at the idea of ticking an “enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.
From what I’ve seen Proton has hit a quality of compatibility that the games will just run, and typically better than Windows. If it doesn’t run it’s usually because it’s too new and proton needs a patch, or the devs/publishers did the aforementioned “no, i won’t tick the checkbox, it’s too hard.” bullshit.
Basically, if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
For me it’s that a lot of the open source options to replace the Adobe and MS Office suites just always fall short. Trouble shooting Linux issues feels like hell after a lifetime of learning how to troubleshoot Windows issues.
Adobe is the bane of my existence for many reasons, and I jump ship wherever I can. But GIMP doesn’t really compare to Photoshop. Inkscape doesn’t work well against illustrator - the only open source artistic creation software I swear by is blender. Davinci resolve isnt bad compared to premier pro though - but not After Effects.
MS office isn’t great either (why does Ms word operate like it exists in a separate instance of reality that’s forever stuck in the 90s?!)
Microsoft captured the corporate world and compatibility with the off brand stuff is a huge issue
The one that got me recently when I tried Linux was mouse software. I couldn’t configure my mouse buttons even close to what I have on Windows (couldn’t use modifiers like shift or control on one mouse, to start), and it just felt bad.
What mouse? Logitech and Razer have alternative control panels for Linux that should allow this.
Try Krita. It’s pretty similar to photoshop. A few creature comforts will be lost, but not too many substantial things.
However, if you really use the curved text feature of photoshop a lot, you may miss that.
Oh nice, thanks for the suggestion I’ll try it out. I don’t use the curved text in photoshop, that’s usually done in illustrator in my workflow
Interesting take. How does GIMP not compare to Photoshop?
gimp is like Photoshop 3.0 or something it’s a piece of shit it’s super old and it sucks
I feel like GIMP was a depraved person’s creative exercise in designing a UI and workflow as fucking shit as humanly possible and then leaving it like that for a couple of decades while continuing to develop the program.
But in reality I know it’s probably due to the complexities of maintaining such an old project with limited resources and volunteers and I’m grateful something like it even exists.
it’s just a clone of a very old version of Photoshop that’s all
Masking is not nearly as easy to apply. It’s very quick to get smooth edges in your mask in Photoshop.
Photoshop now has a built in AI (Beta Version) to generate backgrounds or add things to your image.
In GIMP, you can only use one artboard (canvas) at a time. Photoshop can have multiple within one file
Photoshop can link directly to illustrator and can handle vectors, not just rasterized images.
Most of the scaling and filtering tools just tend to work better in Photoshop. Also The “Object Selection” tool in Photoshop is amazing. This doesn’t exist in GIMP.
Smart objects are nice too (Photoshop only) - makes it so you can edit one object and change it across multiple artboards + other functionality.
And one of my biggest issues, GIMP can’t edit pictures in CMYK - it’s a big work around just to try and export your sRGB image to CMYK in GIMP, but your colors will change.
Literally the only thing I like GIMP over Photoshop for is that it’s easier to add gradients with a transparency
Edit:
Oh and gimp is good at changing specific color hues quickly. But that’s all I’ve found
“enable proton compatibility” checkbox with their anticheat.
Isn’t proton mainly a steam thing?
Because honestly, the reason I’m not jumping to linux, is all the heavily modded GOG stuff and nexus mod manager.
That and bad experiences in the past.
If you get the heroic launcher, you can install proton or proton GE and use them on Epic Games or GOG games. I’m pretty sure there is a way of doing it without a launcher but it is less user friendly. I also prefer Heroic to Lutris.
I have no allegiance to either, the second Linux is consistently beating Windows and compatible with 95%ish of new releases I’m in. Steam Deck proved that it is a matter of time I think, thank you Valve 🙏
I literally game on nothing else right now.
Sure, in an ideal world I’d be rocking 4k and max settings, but I just want to play the games. I’ve been so tied up for the last 8 years that I have a wonderful back catalog of games to play. I’m currently playing RDR2 and holy shit it might be the greatest game ever made.
I dock it for older games that I need keyboard and mouse to play.
nobody is jumping to Linux except developers and Linux users. ive used it every day for 20 years. it departments aren’t putting it on employee machines. your mom isn’t going to install it on her laptop that she uses to do her taxes and play the sims 3. it’s not ever going to happen because Linux isn’t software that’s meant to do that.
you’re not only naive if you think “the year of the linux desktop” is a real thing, you’re illogical and you’re probably an idiot. it doesn’t even make sense. reddit is so full of toilet optimism that it has no idea what’s going on.
You haven’t been paying attention. Literally the best selling item on Steam for nearly a year and a half was a Linux Gaming PC.
Linux is far more flexible than Windows. The nature of open source is what enables such flexibility. The only reason Linux hasn’t been adopted by many is simply because of the chicken and egg issue.
Microsoft and Apple had made a monopoly on the market for desktop computers, And since the desktop market share was so low for linux, few devs developed desktop software for Linux. Which then in turn kept Linux from gaining marketshare.
But the times are changing. Wine, Proton, Lutris and Multi-Platform web app tools have lead to a world where devs can simply just mindlessly go “oh yeah I guess we can enable linux builds/proton supported builds.” and just forget about it.
For example, lets say it was 2006 and Discord was just released in that time period. Instead of being a web app, they built a client that communicated using an API for Discord. Well, more than likely that official client was Windows and maybe MacOS exclusive. They built it from the ground up, and sure it has an API and sure a linux client may exist. But it would never be 1:1 with the official client.
This was the most likely thing to happen, and theres no way you can convince grandma to try Linux when all of her basic apps don’t work anymore.
Fast forward to 2023. Unless Grandma is using Adobe software, Linux will work fine. Chromebooks sold well for basic users afterall.
if your waiting on a game to be supported for proton, it may need to wait until Linux adoption hits around 20 percent before the devs/publishers get that bullshit idea out of their head.
So never.
Valve may be single handily driving better Linux adoption rates with Steam deck.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/08/linux-surpasses-the-mac-among-steam-gamers/
And performance on Linux is outpacing Windows
17℅ advantage? Daaamn hope these aren’t anomalies, because like 2 years ago Wine performance only lagged behind like 5℅, and this sounds too good to be true for me.
I believe the biggest factor is Linux’s better resource management.
Its a combination of Vulkan and Valve paying devs to work on Proton.
Vulkan is a fantastic Graphics API. Vulkan is more optimized than DirectX, and it’s so much better than DirectX that the DXVK (DirectX to Vulkan) Wrapper that Proton implements makes games run better, despite the fact it’s running through an obfuscation.
You somehow used the care/of symbol (℅) instead of percent (%). Impressive!
Are you kidding? I made the jump a month ago and get better performance across the board gaming with proton/lutris than I did with windows.
It’s not about performance but compatibility. Such as certain anti-cheat software in online games.
Some things just aren’t good enough yet.
Like VR compatibility and performance, particularly with nvidia and quest headsets.
Otherwise yeah, 99% of my games would run perfectly fine.
Oh yeah, you’re right there! I haven’t had the funds to get a home VR setup yet, so I was pleasantly surprised all my games actually run BETTER after I made the switch.
I have Linux on all my machines except one crappy old laptop that had Windows 10. When they EOL Win10, I’ll have to buy another one like that for those rare occasions when you need to run something that just won’t work in Linux.
you’re a toxic optimist beyond saving if you think any of this
I’m no fool. I know Linux isn’t going to hit 100% desktop marketshare the instant windows 10 goes EOL.
But I do know many people who are willing to make the switch rather than to go to Windows 11.
Windows has been bleeding desktop marketshare for years. They are at a far cry from their 80% of the early 2000s.
Yeah but i still need something windows to stick in my vm.
Man, I’m just going to say it… I’m sick of all the Linux people saying it’s the solution to all problems in computing. Can we not talk about anything else here on Lemmy? This article is about Windows.
I mean, this is platform which runs on Linux and embodies the same spirit which drives Linux forward - the collaborative power of opensource software. Is shouldn’t come as a surprise that there’s a heavy skew of Linux and opensource enthusiasts here. If you’re sick of all the Linux talk here, feel free to move to a propriety forum, perhaps one with a red alien logo.
This article is about Windows.
The article is about Window 10 becoming EOL, and given how many people are put off by Windows 11, suggesting Linux as an alternative is a reasonable comment, IMO. Feel free to argue otherwise if you feel so strong against it.
Sorry but the answer is Linux. It’s got great support for devices and is open source. If adobe and a few other companies would port their software for Linux there’d honestly be no reason to use Windows or Mac except for a few that prefer it.
If bsd was more popular than the answer would be that. We just need to have an open source OS as the norm
Mac is BSD
mac is bsd in the same way android is linux. while technically true, they both diverged a lot from their base and most functions are now provided by closed-source software…
Thanks for reaffirming what I said I guess
100%. I’m very happy for the people in the Linux community who have collectively supported a free and open source operating system that is effectively as good or better than the two leading OSs with massive billion dollar corporations behind them. That’s unfathomably impressive, deserving of all this praise and, of course, should have wider adoption.
However
I’ve spent my entire life on Windows, my professional career on Mac OS, and the last dozen or so years with my phones running Android. I absolutely do not have the patience and free time to become fluent in another fucking operating system. And I’ve tried. On at least two occasions, I’ve attempted to run a media server on Linux. The experience was utterly fucking miserable and made me want to give up on technology and live in the woods. I have no doubt that I’d have a different outcome with better resources or more time to learn properly, but I’m done. Hopefully the successes of Linux drive change for the better in the other two. Linux doesn’t need 100% adoption to make an impact on the way Microsoft and Apple develop their own systems.
Photoshop alone is worth keeping a windows or OSX device around.
You just need to realize that Adobe doesn’t release their stuff on Linux, not because it doesn’t allow them to, but Linux desktop market share is too small.
It’s a chicken and egg problem. Once Adobe would release their stuff, magically there would be a massive movement to improve HDR support, color accuracy etc.
And you need to realize Microsoft achieved such a giant market share thanks to illegal monopolistic practices in 90s, that still have huge impacts today.
That doesn’t change the reality that I will go where Photoshop is available.
That’s an Adobe problem
If the audience moves to Linux then it will follow
That, and Gimp is quite a capable photo editing tool.
And there’s Krita.
😂😂😂
Gimp is not that good, and not even close to being a Photoshop replacement.
It’s not a perfect replacement, and I never claimed as such. But for most people’s needs, gimp is perfectly capable.
I don’t care who or where the problem or source is. I will buy the platform where Photoshop is used, and as a result it will likely inform every other decision about my daily driver. It’s really that simple.
Then why would Adobe ever move?
Why do they need to? To capture 3% of a market that hates proprietary anyway? Come on.
My point was that people saying “I’ll move when X moves” should just suck it up because X will move after they do
Just an FYI, Photoshop runs reasonably well under Wine now, if you follow this guide: https://github.com/LinSoftWin/Photoshop-CC2022-Linux
The boner people have on this platform for Linux is frightening. We get it. You use an obscure OS. Congrats.
I use it and I still hate how 90% of this website devolves into Linux discussions.
Well, someone could develop a new OS or a mainstream-friendly fork of Plan 9. The problem is literally over-reliance on privately-owned, proprietary software during an era where enshitification is the norm. GNU/Linux is the most mainstream-friendly OS that is not* proprietary.
*Some bits that are regularly used are obviously proprietary. See: RHEL
So brave
I’m strong on the Linux side and just swapped over my last PC from Windows. Long time it’s been needing it.
But I completely agree with you. 95% of consumers would most likely have difficulty just getting it installed. Basic usage, maybe a greater number could be fine using it but once something goes wrong, no one wants to use the terminal.
And this is also a Windows thread.
Based on my conversations with my clients, it seems like the 2025 date is going to result in the greatest Linuxing of all time.
as an avid multi-decades linux desktop user who has worked at a company with people in it before, i believe there is no way in fuck that this is true.
Yeah, I work in industrial automation and I don’t see how it could be possible
I know right? I don’t even let Rockwell run in anything but a VM by itself after it wiped my C drive. Happened to some other people at last job too. I could explain it better, but it would be exhausting and stressful to go on another rant about their awful software.
I would love for Siemens and Rockwell software to work in Mac and Linux. Or half of the other random utilities for various hardware components. I just don’t see it happening. At least Ignition is agnostic.
Before my current job I was in a small business with no IT (I did all of the IT work, actually. Kinda poorly) and I could manage my laptop however I wanted, so I ran Linux with VMs for industrial IDEs, I mean you have to use VMs anyway, right? It fucking rocked. I don’t know if it was the laptop (XPS 15), or virtualbox, or Linux, but it was way snappier than my current setup (windows Zbook with VMware).
You’re right in that this isn’t true of your typical working folks who use Microsoft 365, Sharepoint, or specialized design software.
There are a lot of folks who just use their computer for a web browser. When you tell them that their hardware, some of which is as young as 2017, will lock them out of security updates in two years, they’re pretty receptive to alternatives like ChromeOS or Linux.
For some of the older population, the simplicity of such options is a huge perk.
most people are not “installing an operating system”
The year of the Linux desktop is upon us. The prophecy has been foretold by the sages of the code. A new dawn is on the horizon. A new era of freedom an power approaches as more and more disks are cleansed by the mighty forces set free by Stallmann and Torvalds. No more shall the users be enslaved by proprietary software and restrictive licenses.
The Year of the Linux Desktop is upon us, and nothing can stop it.
As someone once told , windows 10 would be that last version of windows.(I like to keep it that way , at least for me😅).
I remember Microsoft saying that Windows 10 would be the last version they would ever release and everything moving forward would just be iteration and improvement. Knew that was a lie immediately.
Microsoft never said that. Its a myth that refuses to die. A single developer on a conference mentioned something as a sidenote, the press misinterpreted it and the internet took it and ran with it.
Do you have a source for that? I’d love to read how that myth came about, I’m serious I’m not doubting you
It goes back to Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft developer that said 2015 on the Microsoft Ignite conference in Chicago
“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10.”
and talking about “Windows as a service” in the future. That started this rumour. And the press went like “MICROSOFT DECLARED!..”. Just that it never did.
What Microsoft later said was
“Recent comments at Ignite about Windows 10 are reflective of the way Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner, with continuous value for our consumer and business customers,” … “We aren’t speaking to future branding at this time, but customers can be confident Windows 10 will remain up-to-date and power a variety of devices from PCs to phones to Surface Hub to HoloLens and Xbox. We look forward to a long future of Windows innovations.”
There was never a single word explicit saying that Windows 10 will be the last. Only that the future may be “as a Service”.
Its hard to link a single source for all that, but e.g. Forbes covered it back then: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/05/08/microsoft-windows-10-last-windows/
Wow yeah I can clearly see how it happened now, their wording wasn’t the best and then news outlets did what they do best and now we’re here, thank you this was really nice to read and learn!! Have a great evening!
Windows 11 is just Windows 10 23H2. It’s just a number. Nothing stops MS from dropping support for older processor in an update for Windows 10.
Don’t really care. Once this PC can’t run Windows 10 anymore, it’s getting Mint.
I’ve recently come to realize all of the games I actually like to play, run just fine on Linux. YMMV, of course.
My next computer will be Mint and open source programs.
I’ve recently had to pretty much stop playing games due to repetitive stress injuries so that isn’t even relevant anymore. The only thing keeping me on Windows these days is 3ds Max.
No, Blender is not an alternative for what I do, don’t even start.
I know you said don’t even start, but I’m curious lol.
I’ve used blender a lot, I’ve never used 3DS Max though. What would you say are the biggest issues with Blender in your scenario?
Given the amount of progress on getting 3D games to work well under wine/proton lately, I wonder if it’s possible/practical to run 3ds Max under it yet? The only test results I can find for it are ancient.
We had petitions for everything, Windows Phone, you name it a decade ago. That won’t do jack shit unless it somehow comes with some large sum of money (how much? who knows) for Microsoft or some bean counter decides “hmm, maybe the environment shouldn’t take another for the team” and gets the company to change course before they are canned.
In the meantime, let’s continue to plot our off-ramps.
I’ve been using Windows 11 for a while now and honestly I don’t understand the hate. Who needs personalized functionality? Who needs to be able to move their bar from screen to screen? I do. I’m moving to Linux.
My system significantly exceeds all the performance requirements for Win11, but it doesn’t have the Trusted Platform Module 2.0…and therefore cannot run Windows 11. It’s disappointing that my system can run circles around a lot of newer devices but can’t upgrade because it’s running on an older motherboard. It’s dumb that Microsoft made TPM 2.0 a deal-breaking requirement for Win11.
Apparently you can get around that with a registry hack that tells the installer the machine has it. Not that I’d want windows 11 anyway…
Their pals in the hardware industry say thanks for the ewaste.
You can just disable that requirement with Rufus
Never mind the millions of PCs that don’t want to downgrade to this garbage.
A nonprofit group has sent a petition to Microsoft, urging it to extend the end-of-support date for Windows 10 beyond 2025 to prevent “the junking” of millions of PCs.
“junking”. Install linux on it you mugs!
I use Ubuntu for pretty much everything, but I would prefer to use 10 in the unfortunate event that I have to boot into Windows.
I’m not buying another windows OS.
It’s a free upgrade
Nah, I’m sticking with Win10. I wish I could’ve stayed with Win7. I have a huge backlog of games that will play great on Win10. Enough to last me for years (thanks steam sales.) And to be honest, I didn’t pay anything for my current Win os. I’m just tired of Microsoft drastically changing the os when they shouldn’t.
It’s perfectly fine to stay, just saying you don’t have to buy it haha. I bypassed the CPU restrictions to upgrade to win 11 because it had updates that I genuinely wanted, like tabs in file explorer etc. It’s genuinely fine, as long as you move that damn taskbar to the left
Absolutely! I got the free upgrades to win 10 from 7 and all my win 7 were… cough free.
Not supporting intel 7th gen and back seemed pretty strong handed, even now they’re still decent processors.
And I know there are work-arounds but not for the average consumer
Hopefully by 2025 gaming in Linux will be greatly improved even more. Until then I’ll keep using Windows 10 and I’ll start saving for an AMD card
I join you on this. Nvidia support in Linux is shitty. I kept getting crash with it and proton on GPU intensives games. And you see the games running on and flawlessly… I regret picking a Nvidia card.
I’ve been using Nvidia cards for decades. They work perfectly fine and I’m able to play without a hitch. Sorry to hear about your experience but it’s not the norm.
I also use Nvidia GPUs on Windows. The thing is that They tend to have driver issues on Linux.
I’m also very disappointed with the closed architecture of their software, their recent price hiking in Europe and the fact that they stop supporting older GPUs
TL’DR. I don’t have a bad experience on Windows. At the same time it’s hard to switch to Linux, they dont have open source drivers and they don’t have long term support for their products by turning them obsolete through software
Do you use a tower ? Maybe that the hybrid part (I mostly tried on différents laptop with primus) which never work for me. Or may be the games I play. I tried Warframe, star trek online and planetside2 and my computer freeze after some time. I tried to wait 30 minutes, nothing. I tried to get some dump, no errors… I dislike windows and I try to migrate regularly but I have to go back to windows.
Guessing amd has better Linux support? Been running Linux for a while on my laptop but my gaming rig has been a windows strong hold.
I was asking a genuine question not trolling, if it’s true I’ll get an AMD card next!
