• @[email protected]
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    1031 year ago

    These stories piss me off, because I tried from January to May to buy a Chevy Bolt from a dozen plus dealers and all I found was markups, falsely advertising customer pre-ordered vehicles as available for sale, and even 3 year old models with 5000 miles being advertised as “new.”

    I finally gave up and bought a used car from an independent honest dealer. All this talk of EV’s not being able to sell is just the dealer tactics coming back to haunt them and I say fuck them

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    Start selling cheaper ones. The day a sub $20,000 EV comes along that can do more than 150 miles on a charge you will all shut up and take my money. I don’t need fancy features, I just need something that can get me to work and back with a bit of wiggle room and never have to pay for gas again. 150 miles would be more than sufficient, but 200 would be PERFECT. Leaf and Bolt are close, can we get something a little cheaper, pretty please?

    • @[email protected]
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      11 year ago

      Buy used? I don’t understand the argument that they need to be cheaper as new, when you wouldn’t have bought new before but now you will for electric? I’ve had my bolt since COVID started and it’s been great. Don’t buy leaf tho

      Can buy used for 13-17k depending, ~200mi interstate range

  • @[email protected]
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    371 year ago

    I needed to drive 5 hours to get one at a good price. And they were moving tones of that model though. The other places I went to also mentioned their EVs were moving very quickly, one I was looking at was bought within 2 days of listing. So this doesn’t at all match with my experience. Maybe they’re referring to the super expensive luxury EVs rather than lower price ones?

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      Or, hear me out… they are lying. The dealerships are just lying liars and are lying. Because that’s what liars do.

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        181 year ago

        There was just an article (or a couple) the other week about how dealerships are intentionally pushing people to ICE vehicles and lying about EVs anyway they can. I think in one example a sales person told a customer looking at EVs that they can only go 25 MPH or something lmao

  • @[email protected]
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    281 year ago

    It is not in a dealers best interest to sell vehicles that require less costly services for the life of the car which is a big ongoing revenue for many dealerships.

    • @[email protected]
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      51 year ago

      This is the exact reason everyone across the globe exclusively use horses for transportation. Replacing them with these horseless carriages would destroy the shoeing business, where would we put all of the feed?.. What is Biden thinking?!

    • @[email protected]
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      11 year ago

      Sales people do not have that long a perspective. The article does talk about 100-200% turnover every year, which is again horrible practices coming back to bite them, but the sales person is only interested in immediate commission and bonus

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        61 year ago

        In Australia, Deloitte’s shared this breakdown.

        “On average, barely 5 per cent of a dealer’s profit comes from new car sales. The majority (about 50 per cent) comes from parts and service, while the remainder comes from finance and insurance (30 per cent) and the balance is from used cars (15 per cent).”

        In the US it appears to be very similar.

        “So where does the majority of a dealership’s profit come from? It’s not from car sales, at least not directly. It’s from the service and parts department, which accounts for the other 49.6% of the dealership’s gross profits, according to NADA.”

        https://www.edmunds.com/car-buying/where-does-the-car-dealer-make-money.html

  • TheMurphy
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    231 year ago

    How about you and the manufacturers sell them cheaper, and now here me out. Maybe then, and I know this is a crazy idea. But could we make it so that the already rich multi million dollar owners earned less?

    Nah, wouldn’t want that. I’m sure VW and the gang need the money.

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        I hope these prices can’t help move to public transit. I hate vehicle maintenance and insurance.

  • AutoTL;DRB
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    131 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    After making record profits in the wake of the pandemic and the collapse of just-in-time inventory chains, they’re now complaining that selling electric vehicles is too hard.

    Almost 4,000 dealers from around the United States have sent an open letter to President Joe Biden calling for the government to slow down its plan to increase EV adoption between now and 2032.

    More and more car buyers are opting to go fully electric each year, although even a record 2023 will fail to see EV uptake reach double-digit percentages.

    Mindful of the fact that transportation accounts for the largest segment of US carbon emissions and that our car-centric society encourages driving, the US Department of Energy published a proposed rule in April that would alter the way the government calculates each automaker’s corporate average fuel efficiency.

    Over the summer, industry analysts at Cox Auto made plenty of headlines with data showing that new EV inventory was growing.

    Helpfully, the dealers published a complete list of the 3,882 signatories, making it very easy for people to see which businesses are opposing action on climate change.


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  • guyrocket
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    Huge discounts on EVs? I really need to get out and see this!

    • @[email protected]
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      61 year ago

      Is that because they just aren’t making them because no one can afford them?

      I just paid $18,000 for an 8 year old base model Jeep Patriot with 210K.

      Car market is fucked.

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        The wait time is because there is too much demand and not enough supply. Some people are selling their “waiting list place” for like $2000…

        And yes car market is fucked, new or used. I have a 10yo car and couldn’t afford a new one in case of total or something :-/

  • @[email protected]
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    11 year ago

    We don’t even know if the batteries on those things will worsen with time, like all other batteries do.

    You cant replace the battery on a EW, it’s cheaper to buy a new car.

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      61 year ago

      BEV/Hybrids have been around a while, there’s places you can buy individual cells when they die and it’s pretty easy to replace them. As time goes by, it should become no harder than going to the auto parts store like we do with regular ICEs. Unless they do shady stuff like making the batteries OEM only, like how Apple do with their batteries.

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      We don’t even know if the batteries on those things will worsen with time, like all other batteries do.

      We absolutely do. Of course they degrade over time. But they last much monger than expected. Today they all come with 100,000mile 8-10year warranties.

      You cant replace the battery on a EW, it’s cheaper to buy a new car.

      Of course you can! They’re designed to be replaced. Most of them can be swapped out in about an hour at an equipped shop. And the cost (outside of warrantee) is typically about 20-30% the cost of the car. So it’s absolutely cheaper to replace the battery than buy new.

      • @[email protected]
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        21 year ago

        Thank you, I didn’t know this. But paying 30% of the new car price after they expire sounds awful… But at least it’s possible.