Did your Roku TV decide to strong arm you into giving up your rights or lose your FULLY FUNCTIONING WORKING TV? Because mine did.

It doesn’t matter if you only use it as a dumb panel for an Apple TV, Fire stick, or just to play your gaming console. You either agree or get bent.

  • @[email protected]
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    51 year ago

    Yeah right lmao

    So, all these companies are wasting money getting their lawyers to write up (and maintain) these documents that we all have to agree to, but they’re totally unenforceable because… they’re too wordy?

    If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell.

    • @[email protected]
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      431 year ago

      Yup.

      Because here’s the thing, lawyers are super expensive and these corporations have in house lawyers for handling anyone that wants to sue. They’ll happily argue the validity of the EULA because they know just getting through the pretrial phase will cost you tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

      Corporations have weaponized this fact at every chance they get.

      It’s the exact same reason why companies in California and other states make employees sign noncompetes, even though they are explicitly unenforceable. It’s so the company can financially punish you even if you are in the right.

      • Refurbished Refurbisher
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        1 year ago

        This is what I like to call “bullying”. I don’t think anyone should be able to hire private lawyers. All lawyers, no matter how rich you are or if you’re a corporation, should be public and randomly assigned dictated by a random number generator and a publicly viewable algorithm IMO.

        The US has the right to a fair and speedy trial in its constitution. Current litigation is niether.

    • @[email protected]
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      151 year ago

      Dude this is totally how it works.

      You have general counsel, firms on retainer, etc and the cost is amortized over all legal needs… And 99.999% of users will never even THINK about legal action nevermind actually pursue it.

      It’s the same reason they send C&D letters…an ounce of legal effort (which you likely already have to buy anyway as a corporation) is worth a TON of consumer litigation protection.

      • @[email protected]
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        141 year ago

        You have general counsel, firms on retainer, etc and the cost is amortized over all legal needs… And 99.999% of users will never even THINK about legal action nevermind actually pursue it.

        The exception to that is class action suits, where 100% of users could be included in the class even if they have no idea it’s going on. Especially when the company does too little harm to any one person for it to be worthwhile to sue individually but a fuck-ton of harm in aggregate, this is the only way to hold them accountable.

        And that’s what these forced arbitration agreements are designed to neuter.

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      They are unenforceable for more reasons than that. They also can not prove that you agreed to it, only that someone did.

      Also, they can’t change the terms of your previous purchase after the fact. They can make you agree to something new going forward, but if they make your current device a brick because you don’t agree (which they are doing here), then they need to reimburse you for causing the loss of use of your device that you already purchased and was working under the previous terms.

    • GladiusB
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      101 year ago

      Surely corporations aren’t being intimidating to take the uneducated for a ride when they dispute it. Surely.

    • @[email protected]
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      51 year ago

      The companies have the burden to provide them to the user. If they forget something, somebody loopholes them in court, they will lose.

      The EULA is more of a rolling document, and something like a “We are legally obligated to provide this, so we better cover our asses in the process.” legal doc.