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Going public will fuck them up. Every corporate move will be tied to the stock. It will inevitably destroy them.
Which, at this point, I’m here for. Although I do miss the days when they were a force for good. Or at least nerds. Ah well. Sayonara, you insulting bastards.
Raspberry Pi 5 is the first model that had 0 hype online. It seems people have already started to move on.
Considering I could order an Orange Pi with 32gb of ram and still cant get a Rp5… yeah the king is dead.
A couple years of not being able to buy them anywhere close to MSRP did enough damage I guess. Plus it exposed people to some alternatives.
Plus the Pi5 sucks.
Can you elaborate why? I’m curious
Too high power draw and very expensive. 25watt is basically the same as a mini PC but with less performance and worse software compatibility.
The price with all the required “accessories” puts it around 90-110 bucks. Awfully close to the mini PC as well
Jeff Geerling recently made a video about it
For the price you can by a pretty competent n100 based mini PC which beats the hell out of the pi for a lot of tasks. Makers can get a cheaper solution via esp32 or clones… so what real market is there for it?
Pi isn’t dead but the IPO would be a hail mary for funding while they figure out how not to go bankrupt.
Somehow became the “Apple” of the sbc world. At least the software is still open source.
Considering they retail for about what you can get a decent used mini PC for, one which would run circles around a Pi, I can certainly see why. At its current price, I would never consider a Pi.
I think the shortage caused a lot of people to lose interest because they couldn’t get one, also a lot of the board improvements have pretty complex benefits so they open up new possibilities but don’t really have a killer app yet. I think the power requirements have pushed it out of the range for a lot of projects though.
It’s so hard to tell if they’re heading towards a sweet spot or off a cliff with that one, I think the rest of their line is much stronger, zero 2 and the 3a+ or whatever it’s called are Ideal little boards
The RPi was always very overpriced. I think they knew they were selling a lifestyle product from day 1, you know, “here’s the new toy for the tech crowd that has too much money anyway”. Sometimes I cannot believe what ridiculous sums of cash people give out for SoCs with custom cases that are definitely not worth the pay-up, ex. the whole clockworkOS computers which got abandoned by the manufacturer few months going forward, and the massive financial hurdle to become a part of the user community means the community/fan crowd just implodes as soon as the tech bros find a more shiny device to waste money on. Then all you got is abandoned hardware with no community support.
The pi at initial release before all the supply chain problems, and Pi’s focus on corporate customers was $20.
There was nothing like it which is why it deserved the hype.
But now it’s $75 and needs a custom USB c power supply. So it’s pointless for most uses. As another pointed out, an N100 on the high end and esp32 on the low end make it a tiny niche.
I don’t expect people to see any change in how we do things.
When companies say this, they’ll usually do the exact opposite later down the line.
Enshittification be like
Exactly that’s just bullshit to make people think everything is gonna be fine. It’s the stock market. People with the most shares demand you make them more money. That’s how it works. So everything will be turned upside down at some point.
Stating outright that you don’t expect the obvious thing that always happens to happen… bro you’re already giving shareholders a reason to say you’re an incompetent manager and replace you with someone that will gut the company for stock growth.
When you hear this from any company, get out. Sell whatever you have in it immediately. Even if you take a loss, you’ll take a bigger one waiting it out.
Nah.
“Don’t be evil”
AAAAAAAAA I HATE ENSHITTIFICATION
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS NEED MORE FUCKING MONEY
FUCK
Its been coming for a while tho. They abandoned the affordable market long ago. Buy banana pis or other knockoffs, those have been better than the raspberry versions for a long time anyways…
How did they abandon the affordable market? You can get a 1GB pi 4 for $35 today, the same price as when it launched. You get get a zero 2 for $15 I think. Just because the pi 5 is more expensive doesn’t mean they’ve abandoned the affordable market. They just widened the product line. Jeez.
How is the community on the alternatives? I always hear that raspberry Pis is easier to beginners due to the community. Alternatives are cheaper and faster but doesn’t have a big community so not too user friendly.
I started with rockchip devices because I couldn’t get a real rpi. I had no trouble getting help for anything I was trying to do.
Depends on what you get, grab an Ox64 to be thrown in the deep deep end, while anything that supports Armbian will be just fine.
Thank you! This is the kind of info I was looking for. Fuck IPOs.
They don’t just want more money. He wants a huge payout for retirement. And fuxk everyone else.
You either die the hero, or live long enough to become the villain.
Didn’t they start as a non-profit? But I guess, as someone I know used to say, there’s one god everybody worships: the money god.
XD
Damn. I’ll donate to Pi-Hole instead.
Because that’s the non-profit organization, not the for-profit business.
A non-profit in the same way OpenAI is a non-profit.
“Buy me senpai!”
Non-profit to enjoy the perks that come with that until they’re big enough to cash out.
Technically they still are, but the nonprofit owns and controls a for-profit corporation. I think they made that switcheroo a little over a decade ago, but someone else can fact check me the timing.
Just like Mozilla, OpenAI and wikimedia foundation. The future looks bright /s
oh I didn’t know wikimedia was also a for profit in disguise. that sucks hard.
Is that an actual for-profit company controlled by the non-profit wikimedia foundation, or just a way for the foundation to make money to run its operations? My understanding is it’s the latter, unlike Mozilla and now Raspberry Pi. See here:
Wikimedia Enterprise is a product of the Wikimedia Foundation, with content created by volunteers around the world.
A nonprofit doesn’t have to rely exclusively on donations to fund its operarions.
it’s not. They do have a commercial product they use to fund their operation, in addition to donations, but that doesn’t make them a for-profit company.
Uh, no? It’s the other way around?
According to who? You? Because the UK government says otherwise.
Raspberry Pi LTD (for-profit, founded 2012) is owned by the Raspberry Pi Foundation (non-profit, founded 2008).
Fair enough, but raspberry pi (trading) Ltd is the one that’s mostly in control.
I’m not sure what you’re missing here, but they are OWNED by the non-profit, which means their actions align with their owners intent.
The Raspberry Pi Foundation lived long enough to see itself become the villain. Don’t make excuses for them.
I just took some time to watch that video, and that seems to say “Yes” instead. Yes, they started as a non-profit, with a for-profit arm, and Yes, the for-profit arm is now trying to sell out in an IPO to (guess what) make more money. And while they are distinct entities, there’s some of the same people on the board for both, who are likely going to profit.
Oh no, the tipping point for enshitification. First it was selling all the stock to corporate clients, now this.
Oh no, please no. They were supposed to be the best of us.
Oh no, please no. They were supposed to be the best of us.
No King rules forever.
RIP Raspberry Pi. Whenever-2024
2012, I think… that’s why I got my first Pi. I guess the enshitification will begin :(
ahh shit…here we go again
I don’t think I’ve ever been excited about the IPO of a company I’m a customer of. This trend continues.
“Go forth, and procreate” has come to mean “amass, forever”.
My first Pi got me into computing which led to my software career now. Won it from a YouTube giveaway and kept it a secret because I wasn’t allowed to have a computer. Put retroPi on it and told my parents it was for gaming. Coded my first game in Python (from a tutorial). I once put it in a crayon box and used that as a portable handheld. Later. Made a janky arcade cabinet. Sad that my kids may need to use a different brand device. I have no love for public companies
You were allowed to game but not program???
They were scared of unmonitored access to the internet. And only up to T rated games were allowed, so for Halo I used to trade game cases with friends to hide what I owned. And since my parents were extremely Snoopy, I’d even switch my T rated games around so they thought I was just too lazy to match a game disk with it’s case, and never get too suspicious.
Edit: Programming was allowed, just had to be on the shared computer in our living room where everyone could see what you were doing.
When I was leaving for college I bought a laptop and they made me keep it in the box until I left. It was honesty torture. I wanted to set it up and stuff but they insisted that our home computer would work fine…
Not to be too personal, but did that affect you a lot later in life, I mean the constant being on guard and fear of getting caught, to always have a lie ready to go and be nervous all the time? I find that if affects most people like that, but roughly one in five instead become super chill and really get their shit sorted. I’m not going anywhere specific with this, I just got curious from an academic and personal experience pov.
Yeah definitely some lasting consequence. I’m a pretty good liar, and extremely skilled at manipulating people to calm down. Sometimes I wish I stood my ground better and let there be friction between me and others. Instead I sort of morph into whatever they need, sometimes abandoning my core principals. It came in handy to save my siblings’ asses a few times though. But literally just yesterday my wife was video calling her mom and showed her my brand new ear piercings (which I’ve wanted my whole life, but is a huge no no for men in Mormon circles, so it’ll be a big deal when my side of the family finds out) - anyway, I wanna stretch/gauge them because I like the look of small tunnels, so my mother in law says, “they look so nice, but you won’t gauge them, right?” And I’m like “no of course not” because I know it’s probably a bit shocking to her that I pierced them at all. But I wish I instead said something non-commital like “not now, but I love the look of small gauges”
Overall, the biggest effect is probably the distance I feel towards my parents lol
If your curious, I’d describe myself as quite chill, but very reserved. I wouldn’t even say I was constantly on guard… I was just a good liar. Got caught for very few things. I have a lot of siblings though (10), so I doubt I’d have had as much opportunity if I were an only child or something
manipulating people to calm down.
There are worse uses! It’s like I thought, you’re one of the good ones.
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a big deal when my side of the family finds out
I am sorry my man. That’s some silly shit for anyone to get upset about. Grats on the pierces! I got fuck drunk at a festival when I was 16 and came home to mom and dad with pierced eyebrows. There were some very very frowny faces at home for some time, but I got away with it. I think they knew that ultimately, I don’t give a shit what they think. I just happen to, but I don’t have’ta. Good thing with many siblings. Then you can flow around them and disappear in the crowd so to speak. Peace.
Can’t have a “computer” but can have an entertainment system, I guess.
It was more about moral concerns of the internet. Pretty common thing for Mormon parents to do. But yeah entertainment may have played a role, they weren’t exactly what I’d call “active” parents.
Sure, that’s the sort of thing I was alluding to. Not wanting to give a child a more capable system, while still giving them a distraction box.
I was basically handed a C64 straight outta the womb, and I think I’ve been so spoiled by having such free access to devices and technology, and be able to just tag along for the ride of the IT revolution, so I didn’t bother to learn to code.
I just figured that down the line they’d come up with AI that could code for me, and while I was right, I really could have learned coding and be a total IT pimp by now. Now I’m just an IT chump, which is still nice, but still.
There’s something to be said of deprivation. If all you’ve got to play with is sticks and stones, that’s when your mind come up with the sickest creations.
My wife and I have wondered about this idea. If we were to have kids, we’d want them to be tech savy and inventive, but hopefully not get too addicted to the internet at a young age. There’s something to be said about not buying them a computer, but letting them build one, I think. But it’s an odd line to walk.
Definitely will say I was interested in what I couldn’t have, but I do think there are healthier ways to fuel an interest. Hope that someday my kids will just want to tinker with my stuff
That is wild and awesome
I lost my respect for the raspberry pi foundation when they prioritize businesses over everybody else when there was a shortage.
I guess I better buy a new Pi before they quintuple in price for half the quality
If you don’t need any of the Pi specific features. Then buy a sbc from another brand. You get way more for your money and more features
What are some examples of pi specific features which other brands don’t support?
There’s a huge amount variety between the alternative sbc providers, but I’m general:
- some are simply designed not to have various bits of hardware like the camera 22 pin connector.
- some fail to conform to the pis pin out or footprint, so hats won’t be compatible
- more commonly, documentation and support is so poor that extensive dev/Linux experience is required to get existing hardware to work
All of this makes it difficult to utilize alternatives without conducting considerable research into many different ones.
Of all the things I expected to enshittify during 2024 I certainly didn’t expect we’d start with the Pi.
uh oh.
rpis are gonna be a subscription service now.
Who’s the competition at this point? We need a competitor now.
- Radza (make RockPi)
- Pine64
- FriendlyARM (NanoPi)
- Orange Pi
- SinoVOIP (Banana Pi)
- HardKernel (Odroid)
- LicheePi (for RISC-V lovers)
Is there a generic name for this kind of product? I figure I’ll be interested in these at some point in the future, at which point I will have long since forgotten the list but will be able to google them up given the right terminology. Other than “raspberry pi alternative” which would inevitably center the results around how they relate to the rpi rather than the products themselves.
Single board computer or SBC for short.
Yes, indeed, there is!! It’s called a Single-Board Computer (SBC).
Do those RPi-compatible things by now come with PCIe lanes? Back in the days I decided against each and every one of them on that basis alone and went with a NanoPC-T4, a fast SSD really makes a difference in those types of devices, SD cards just don’t cut it. Can’t achieve full speed at PCIe2.1x4 but hey I’m not going to complain about 2GiB/s when the board cost as much as the SSD.
And there were indeed some madlads who got dedicated GPUs running with the thing. The onboard GPU definitely isn’t too bad (and the driver situation should be sane by now), and the VPU is a beast, decoding 4k@60Hz. (The RK3399 SoC was designed for set-top boxes so that stuff is right up its alley).
Not slots in the big comp sense but the tech is there and it’s just started to get used for storage devices (e.g. NVMe M.2 ports and built in eMMC modules). Also PCIe-backed network ports (2.5Gb)
If you fancy taking a look then three good SBCs I’d support are:
- Rock Pi 4 - best tech support with their own Linux builds
- Orange Pi 5
- Banana Pi M7 - best for community of weirdos
Always worth checking they get good support (wiki, docs, forums) with recent OS builds. For example Orange Pi isn’t great at providing builds for it’s boards. Banana Pi is great for giving users the chance to ship their builds to others so the Wiki is crammed with newish builds. Rock SBCs have official OS builds
I am coming across a company called Libre Computer (Le Potato), or those comparable too?
Yep - add that to the list!
There is PINE64 if you’re looking for a SBC.
Le Potato?
Someone already said Pine64, but Odroid/HardKernel is another one.
