It’s also not even a dogwhistle? Dogwhistles are meant to provide plausible deniability over what you’re really signalling. “Decolonize Palestine from the river to the sea” is an extremely straightforward and explicit demand that already says what it means.
There is another saying that uses ‘from the river to the sea’ and ‘decolonize’ is not in it. I think that might be the dog whistle they’re talking about.
What saying?
From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
It’s weird how they always leave off the second part.
I guess it explains it further but the kneejerk reaction to that would be to think in this scenario there’s no Israel. So what happened to all the Jews
Live side by side with their Palestinian brothers and sisters peacefully and for the betterment of all mankind?
According to the most recent joint survey of the Palestinian–Israeli Pulse in 2023, support for a democratic one-state solution stands at 23% among Palestinians and 20% among Israeli Jews. A non-equal non-democratic one-state solution remains more popular among both populations, supported by 30% of Palestinians and 37% of Israeli Jews. A Palestinian poll in September 2024 revealed that only 10% of respondents supported a single state that would provide equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians.
It doesn’t seem like either side wants an equal (and/or democratic) single state solution hah
Curious how this poll was taken, given one of the groups is currently being slaughtered by the other.
I don’t really know, the source is a The Economist article behind a paywall. The poll mentioned earlier in the quote is from face-to-face interviews of Palestinians and online interviews of Israelis.
Because recognizing the slogan as a Zionist invention, which advocates for colonizing Palestine from the river to the sea, would destroy their own narrative.
recognizing the slogan as a Zionist invention
Clipping off the bit about freedom is a Zionist framing, certainly. But when every expression of Palestinian solidarity is criminalized, there’s little to be gained in a debate about “framing”. At this point, “Death to Israel” is a perfectly valid and legitimate sentiment. The state is rotten to the core, from its corrupt fascist parliament to its bloody-fisted imperial expansion.
Pretending that “Israel has a right to exist” is any different than some Boer slogan championing White South Africa or a Neo-Confederate rallying cry for the restoration of America’s slave-owning past is what really plays into the Zionist’s hands.
Paul Biggar is a real one, one of the rare successful startup founders who is pushing back on the VC ecosystem as a dissenting voice against the genocide in Gaza.
For those unfamiliar with Paul Biggar, he is a rare dissident from the Zionist infested Venture Capital world.
This will go over like a lead balloon here, but I do in fact think “from the river to the sea” is neither an acceptable or advisable thing to say and truly is a dog whistle for the destruction of Israel. I’ll say “free Palestine” all day long but will never use the other slogan.
I do in fact think “from the river to the sea” is neither an acceptable or advisable thing to say
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is an unacceptable or inadvisable thing to say in the midst of a genocide of the Palestinian people, because it suggests that the state responsible for the genocide shouldn’t exist?
I’ll say “free Palestine” all day long but will never use the other slogan.
“From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” is an unacceptable or inadvisable thing to say in the midst of a genocide of the Palestinian people, because it suggests that the state responsible for the genocide shouldn’t exist?
Uh… yes. Germany exists. Turkey exists. Russia exists. Unless there’s something about Israel in particular that you especially don’t like but aren’t willing to say in public?
Nazi Germany didn’t have a right to exist, nor did Apartheid South Africa, nor Rhodesia.
People have a right to exist.
Apartheid has no right to exist. Genocide has no right to exist. Ethnic cleansing has no right to exist.
You can either prioritize that people have a right to exist, or that an ethnosupremacist state committed to ethnic cleansing of native populations has the right to exist.
That is the situation. You are clearly choosing the latter. Maybe because there’s something in particular about the people being exterminated that you especially don’t like but aren’t willing to say in public?
Unless there’s something about Israel in particular that you especially don’t like
Not a big fan of the genocide.
Yeah, their genocide is active.
Moron.
Urss used to exists now it decomposed to many countries, we are fine witb it so what is the problem to have a one state solution ? Israel made the mess and occupied gaza and the west bank in 67 then nevwr stopped building settlements making the two state solution a non viable solution
Congratulations, Zionists also consider “free Palestine” a dog whistle for the destruction of Israel, so you’d better stop saying that too.
Though at this point, hand ringing about whether people are calling for the destruction in Israel is like hand ringing about whether people were calling for the destruction of Nazi Germany in 1942.
I think you accidentally posted this on technology, but you were looking for politics.
These are tech companies.
Just replace the word Israel with Russia in your mind and then read the post again and tell me if it suddenly fits.
Oh jeeze, TIL there’s another Figma that doesn’t make anime dolls.
If the person who tweeted that was the head of a fertiliser company, do you think this post would be fit for a gardening community?
Yes
I imagine people who are into gardening would be interested in if the head of a popular fertiliser company was a massive bigot yeah
Hmmnope. Replacing it with Russia, or Trump, or whichever political entity didn’t make it any less political for me.
Let’s face it: this post does vaguely concern a tech company - in the sense that it wants to highlight the political opinion or quote of a figurehead of a tech company.
So tell me honestly - is this mostly about tech news, or is it mostly about politics?
Everything is political. If Trump is putting trade restrictions on China that’s politics. Also there’s not much tech news at the moment so I’m not sure why you would have such a high treshold in off-season.
Everything is political.
That’s debatable, but it might be in your life. However, not everything political is tech.
And my reason for having high standards is that lowering them would expose me to too much garbage.
The reason I’m subscribed here, and not on lemmy.world!technology, is that that place will allow anything that gets clicks - even if it’s only tangentially related to actual tech.
Hence, the amount of rants about Musk is through the roof.
I had higher hopes for this place, but it does require moderation. Your post, with all due respect, is just political circlejerk clickbait.
Politics concerns everything, and everything under the sun has a political component. You can’t extract human relations from governance and political action.
Political (n) Of or relating to views about social relationships that involve power or authority.
One of many meanings, but the one most relevant to this post.
Also: Exhausted with the same damn argument of “Why does everything have to be political, there doesn’t need to be politics in x,y,z thing!” Jesus, the root of the word politics is the Greek word ‘polis’ which meant anything having to do with the citizens, the people, so yes, it’s all goddamn political.
Polis (n)
- City
- Community
That’s debatable
it really, actually isn’t.
Ignore or block the post then. You’re free to not look. If you want something moderated to your specific standards only then go create it. Nothing is stopping you, but you’re trying to stop others. So stop it.
The genocide in Gaza is the biggest event of our (life)time which will likely define this whole decade geopolitically. There is a severe lack of news on the technology side about it.
How is this ´the technology side of it´, besides that the comment is made by someone that works in tech?
There’s a lot of strife inside the tech world from people who work for both big multinationals and startups, over their company’s continued dealing with Israel, and especially so with their armed forces. It’s not well covered, because tech journalism is - frankly very corporate friendly - because it relies on access to sources, and so is very subject to access journalism that self-censors and chills dissent or criticism.
Someone who joined on to work on population mapping for vaccine coverage planning, or a cloud service engineer, may strongly object to their work being contorted and sold off to enable and supercharge a genocide.
if this post upset you that much that you felt the need to backseat mod, then you’re a zionazi, it’s that simple.
Anyone know any good replacements for Figma? I’ve used it a couple of times over the last few years for brainstorming UI but obviously that won’t be happening anymore
Our dev team uses Lucidchart, our UX person uses Figma. I can see the differences as Figma seems targeted towards designers where Lucidchart seems targeted to developers.
Penpot has been getting really good. Can recommend
Used it yesterday and it’s been great, exactly what I was looking for, thanks!
