Apple users bash new iPhone 15: ‘Innovation died with Steve Jobs’::Smart phone fans are griping about Apple’s new devices since the arguably anti-climactic announcement of the forthcoming iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus on Tuesday.
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Here’s an idea:
Your current phone is enough.
phone manufacturers hiss and recoil like vampires
Yeah I think so, but they’ve stopped providing security updates for it.
Custom rom
Except the battery won’t hold a charge any more and it’s impossible to replace
Ah, right. They have time until 2025 for replaceable batteries. They want to milk you until the last moment (not only Apple).
And then there’s the issue of security updates.
Not Impossible https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
Imagine a world where we accept that things don’t have to be fantastically better than what came before, and we can find happiness in what we have.
That’s not how humans work.
My Pixel 2 XL that’s suffering begs to differ…
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life. Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Now with this new version, they don’t even have much anything to steal. At best, they pretended that the EU didn’t force them to adopt USB 3 and boast how much faster it is than Lightning port.
Actually the EU only forced them to adopt USB C. Only their ‘Pro’ model actually has USB 3. Imagine having to pay a premium for the luxury of a 15 year old technology
And they still don’t have PD on the pro.
My guess is that they’ll be going portless soon, and don’t want users freaking out that they can’t change their phones as quickly, so they’re intentionally nerfing the charge speeds on USB C.
They have to have USB power delivery by the EU law but only as fast as the device supports at all. So if they only have 20W charging at all that’s legal.
USB C without PD ain’t compliant with the EU regulation, so I hope for them, and their users, that PD is onboard.
With how much they’re investing in video and how large their camera/film user base is, they will not go portless.
Apple just wants to get rid of low income people having an iphone.
Iphones whole thing has always been to be a luxury brand, that only rich people can afford.
Yeah because the first iPhone wasn’t a Revolution,
Their Laptop Chips are in fact leading technology. Intel and AMD are far behind in Performance/Power used
You’re correct, but it’s important to note that the M chips are very expensive to produce, and abandoning x86 means literally all the software iOS and OSX uses needs to be rewritten (or translated via Rosetta). It’s a huge project with tons of risks and massive costs. Apple can do this because they’re pretty much completely vertically integrated at this point, and control their ecosystem completely. If amd independently released some new non compatible architecture that was dramatically faster, it’d likely be dead in the water.
Intel learned this lesson the hard way during the Itanic days. AMD took the relatively safer approach when they released amd64.
Correct. I wish there were open source chips in this category. Not that anyone could afford to produce it, but I believe Software for a chip with a new instruction set would be more adapted if you could look everything up
RISC-V is open source. Lots of boards are moving to RISC-V.
Well it seems I am not up to day on the topic. This is great
There are, Risc-V has been hard at work with several partners (including Bosch and Qualcomm) to bring comparable RISC SoCs to consumer markets (there are already industrial offerings). But it’s not fast nor cheap to do it. It also has a major drawback that’s never talked about that, unlike x86, SoCs become obsolete way sooner for a much higher upfront cost. So, an upgradeable Risc-V option is kind of an elusive idea, for most of the computing power and energy consumption advantages come from the System on a chip design. Today people expect more storage space than ever, and to play with the newer and most powerful graphics options. Something that SoCs cannot change fast or easily.
Software support is also the worst point right now, a problem that Apple addressed by bearing the brunt of the port and compatibility work. But it’s not so simple for other vendors who have to rely on third parties to make their software available in their platform.
Why spend more in a new laptop that is barely just as powerful and runs none of the software you want? Apple cult clout is the only thing leading the sales of the Apple Silicon. And software developers are not interested on porting their software to a platform with no users.
On the other hand Risc-V has only existed since 2015, so it’s massive strides and advances are actually quite impressive. And with more governments looking to become independent from Chinese transistors we might be looking at a new processor arch era, though only after a short growing pains period that we are in right now.
Steve Jobs didn’t innovate a thing in his life.
That is absolute bullshit. Sure he was an asshole to his co-workers and even his family, but I’m so tired of this false narrative that acts like Jobs is completely overrated.
Apple has always been stealing tech and pretending that they created it.
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…oh wait they didn’t steal that. Remember when they stole MacOS from…oh wait…they didn’t do that either.
Stop being an armchair expert on something you have zero clue about. JFC.
‘Good artists copy; great artists steal’ -Steve Jobs, proudly bragging about stealing ideas.
Such as the mouse which they stole from Xerox. There are many examples of this for people who don’t have apple dick in their mouths
Remember when they stole MacOS from…
XWindows? Was that what you were going to say?
Yeah remember when they stole the click wheel concept from…
Wow, you are really digging the bottom of the barrel…
Except that their implementation of USB-C will be way slower than the lightning port.Edit: I’ve been schooled.
They can’t. It’s clearly stated that the USB connector is still limited to the lightning speed.
There is no such thing as ‘lightning speed’. It’s just a connector, not a data communication standard. The non-pro iPhone 15 uses the same SoC as last year’s pro models, which happens to have an USB 2.0 controller. The new SoC used in the 15 Pro models have a 10 gbit USB 3.0 controller on board.
“Still limited to the same speed of the model using the lightning connector” did not have the same ring to it.
Did not know they finally moved to a usb3 chipset on the pro when I commented, good to hear.
I’ll admit the hardware on iPhones is excellent but waaayy overkill for iOS.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
Let me use HDMI out over USB-C to an external monitor and have a full desktop with ability to run desktop class apps. Let me use the full potential of the chipsets to get actual work done and effectively replace a computer.
Till then, Android it is for me because I can do both these things easily. I know my use cases are more niche, but “Pro” naming on consumer Apple products is just fluff.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
This is THE reason I switched from Apple to Android in 2017 and never looked back.
How would they sell you a mac or a iPad along the iPhone if they open The iPhone that much? We still live in capitalism sir.
Well they eventually pulled the plug on iPods…
Took them “only” 10 years to add mouse support for iPads, something that’s been used for decades.
So surely, give it 10 more years and then they’ll “revolutionize” using a bigger external display for iPhone (and not just screen mirroring) :D
They’ll do it, they just take their sweet time.
Let me install my own third party apps w/o the App store (I know altstore exists, but needing to renew apps every few days is super janky). If I spend my money on a device, I should be allowed to put whatever I want on it, however I want. Let me, the consumer accept the risks of doing so.
I’m honestly a bit divided on this. Like yes, freedom is great, but the Apple app monopoly, for all its faults, does one good thing and it’s the fact that all the software is easily available in one place and I am not forced to install multiple app stores to search trough to find what I’m looking for. It turns out that while I like to tinker with personalized Linux installs on my computers, on my phone I just want it to work as quickly and easily as possible without having to figure things out.
I would like an easier way to compile your own app packages for the phone though.
You say like this is normal on Android. It’s not. Basically everything is still on google play
Seriously, I would buy an iPhone if it was not so locked down. I like a lot of things about them but I need my non app store compliant apps
At this point I’m trying to figure out what people want from yearly releases. iPhones are pretty much already packed with every feature imaginable. There’s not much more to add without completely transforming the device into something it isn’t.
I really liked the times when features were added and not killed off.
10 years ago you could purchase a flagship phone with IR blaster for controlling whatever you couldn’t find a remote for, or trolling people in public spaces by turning off their TVs. Cloud storage wasn’t as popular, but if your phone died, the images were safe on the micrSD card. Bluetooth headsets were a thing, but you could always just use a cheap pair of headphones to stick in the headphone jack. People who desired it could install a custom ROM with all kinds of optimizations and less bloat. It used to be a lot more popular back then. Other than cameras, battery life, and reversible and more robust USB-C connectors, there isn’t much innovation. I used to feel like I owned my device much more back then. Now I only use the stock ROM, can either use wireless headphones or ones that use the charging port. I can’t insert a microSD, or test new features for Android ported from other devices by someone on XDA Developers. I’m not using the phone the way I want, but the way the companies who made it decided on.
The base model of the iPhone still doesn’t have USB 3 and won’t have the latest USB-PD. The USB 2 standard was released over 20 years ago. The Lightning plug was released over 10 years ago. The plug technology on iPhones is seemingly being kept out of date on purpose. At least that is what people are complaining about.
They repinned the current chipset from the current iPhone 14 to use USB-C, which is why the base model won’t be USB3. They’ve done this with every model, the previous pro becomes the base model chipset next gen.
Next year the base model will likely have USB3. And lightning worked for 99% of Apple users. The 1% complained a lot, but the majority of iPhone users no longer plug in their phone to anything but the wall.
Honestly, with wireless charging, I rarely even plug it into the wall anymore. The only time I really use the Lightning connector is when I’m out for extended periods of time and need to plug into a power bank.
Same here. I have a MagSafe charger stand on my desk and it’s pretty much the only place I charge now. There’s been a few times I’ve tried to transfer files, but iTunes was such a PoS on Windows that I gave up
Apple users really just didn’t notice the limitations. Whether you consider that “working” is up to you.
Apple users are used to their phones taking ninety minutes to charge and not lasting the whole day. They consider that “normal” and are unlikely to consider that for Android devices, even cheap ones, sub-1 hour fast charging and all-day battery life are standard, not exceptions.
Apple’s (previously) bundled charger is a measly 5 W whereas my cheap $150 OnePlus comes with a 33 W charger, delivering over six times as much power. Granted, Apple devices tend to be more power-efficient than others, but not six times less.
I use my iPhone extensively and it consistently lasts me all day. The iPhone 11 Pro came with a 20w charger in the box (although admittedly they removed the power adapter from the 12)
The context of my original comment is the base iPhone model. Nonetheless, it’s still to be noted that the default charger that came with your iPhone 11 (18 W, not 20 W) still delivers 45% less power than the default 33 W charger that came with my OnePlus Nord N20 5G.
From what I can read online, it takes one hour to go from 0 to 80% on an iPhone 11 Pro using the default charger. It takes my phone a bit over half an hour.
Remember, I am comparing an iPhone with an MSRP of $999 to a phone that I bought for $150. Refurbished iPhone 11 Pros still sell for $300.
I believe that my point that iPhones have comparatively poor chargers for their price point stands. Charging technology has not changed significantly from then to now. The effect of Apple’s recalcitrance is that even the cheapest Android phones can run circles around iPhones when it comes to charging. I hope Apple with take this opportunity to deliver a better product for their users rather than making only incremental improvements to old technology.
My $200 Motorola came with a 68w charger which is quite frankly ludicrous for a phone, and I prefer to use the slow charger so I don’t heat and damage my battery unless I’m in a hurry (and my phone always lasts a whole day of heavy use so I’m almost never in a hurry to charge)
Where did you get the idea that Android phones have longer battery life? iPhones usually do very good in battery life comparisons. Usually you have to go ~20% larger battery on an android device to get the same battery life as an iphone. Of course if you look at just the top charts you get a number of large Android phones with like 7000mAh batteries, which are by far not the norm.
For example by my quick sample of three reviews your one plus nord seems to roughly match iPhone13 battery life but lose to iPhone 14.
I’d say this is actually one reason people buy iPhones. With Apple they can trust that power usage has been implemented well. With Android phones some of them have good battery life and some don’t. Even within one brand.
Again, I want to remind you that a $1,000 phone winning against a $150 phone is not a victory at all. The iPhone should have absolutely kerb-stomped mine. The fact that it is even competitive is the point I am trying to make.
You can visualise a sort of bell curve of battery life. My phone is probably somewhere around the 30-40th percentile (and note that a 90th percentile phone is not 2× better, it’s probably only 50% better). A bit worse than average but not terrible. It’s a cheap phone, after all.
But the issue is that (new) Apple phones I presume are placing consistently around the 60th percentile, which is good and better than average. The issue is that you’re paying 80th-percentile prices for 60th-percentile performance. That is the point I’m trying to make. It’s relative performance to price, not absolute performance. These numbers are made up but illustrate the point I’m trying to make.
If the iPhone were priced at $400-500, it’d be an excellent value and I would recommend it to a lot more people. That’s what I feel a comparable Android would cost. Maybe it could go up to $550 since Apple products do have better build quality and the Apple ecosystem, but at $700 for the latest base model iPhone 14, I think it’s just not delivering the value for money compared to Android phones. Of course, that’s my opinion. I make decisions based on hardware. Others may make decisions based on the fact that they like the iOS experience and the ecosystem it provides, or even because they just like using Apple products. And yes, the fact that Apple products are of consistently above-average quality does count for something.
I’m not attacking you if you own an iPhone and like it, and I don’t judge you for it. I will criticise Apple though, because I feel that Apple is short-changing their customers on the technical side by providing mediocre hardware for not-mediocre prices.
Battery life has nothing to do with the price of the phone because battery size is limited by physical size not price. The cheapest phones actually tend to do well in comparisons.
Apple could fix this by making the phone a few millimetres thicker but I think we both know why they don’t
Lol wot? “Every feature imaginable” 🤣🤣🤣 did I read this right?!
They just haven’t yet “imagined” the many new features we have received in the last few years from non-Apple phones. Don’t worry, once Apple “imagines” it, they will acknowledge the only logical truth they could conceive. That Steve Jobs’ consciousness uploaded to an iMac has graced them with innovation once again.
I agree. We don’t really need anything else from a pocket computer. Just keep improving what we have. Nothing wrong with that at all. No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head and making them buy the new version every year.
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop, and that makes a lot of sense as to why people keep wanting more from them.
A growing population whose interaction with technology is entirely and solely through their thumb (or occasionally both thumbs) is such a sad reality, and voice interaction is nowhere near ready to replace traditional computer interfaces (aka keyboard/mouse).
What more do they need?
Someone else pointed out that for more and more people their phones are replacing a desktop/laptop.
Good luck doing any kind of actual productive work on a phone.
Its just a device for chewing through content as fast as your fingers can scroll.
There’s very little I do in my day to day life that can’t be handled on my phone. If I didn’t game I’d probably have a seldomly used laptop.
Online banking, ordering basically anything, paying bills, paying rent, etc can all be done on mobile now. Systems are now built with mobile as a first class use case because people do so much on their phones. Just because you don’t do it doesn’t mean others can’t.
Yes. But real work I said. You didn’t read my first paragraph.
Try working with a spreadsheet on a phone. OK?
The second paragraph you have a point. It very useful. However, you won’t spend hours with your bankapp or your uber food app. Most of the time its an endless scroller tool. Am I right?
Not everyone needs to use a dedicated desktop/laptop at home. You might do whatever you need to do quicker on a desktop or laptop but if you aren’t working that may not be an issue. I know several people who fit this description.
Better local AI capability. It’s definitely something they are working with, introducing new accelerator features with new processors. Currently most of the actually great AI tools still require you to offload the workload to a server somewhere. And some stuff is not worth doing in a mobile device before it can be done at a fraction of the power.
For the basic hardware features, mainly the camera and image processing tools are actually relevant. Almost all non professional photography in the world is now done with phones and there is still a lot to do to improve the miniature cameras.
Some of the greatest new features from the past few years are things people don’t even realize weren’t always there. Like for example my phone opens up when I pick it up and look at it. And locks when I put it down. This makes usage so much more fluid and is something that did not happen just ten years ago. This kind of UI optimizations are way more important than some numbers in spec sheet. And the local AI processing I mentioned is a key in enabling more situations where the phone understands what you want without you explicitly pressing buttons.
A Siri that doesn’t feel like it’s ~13.5 years old would be nice, especially with the advancements in LLMs. I use Siri daily (timers, alarms, weather check while in bed, etc.) but it feels SO ancient. Can’t even ask it follow-up questions.
I don’t know what people are expecting anymore, phones are a mature market. Short of something like foldables (which don’t seem to be catching on) they’re going to be iterative updates. Look at TVs and computers. Years of big advancements and then they’re iterative.
Also the NY Post is an absolutely terrible publication to link to.
Foldables are catching on, they’re growing absurdly fast.
Exactly, they grow like 200% in the second it takes to unfold them
I got my fold because I was tired of incremental upgrades that didn’t make my phone feel any different than the last years phone (moved from Pixel 2 to pixel 3 right prices dropped when as pixel 6 launched). Sure it was faster but it didn’t feel any faster than when the old phone was new. The screen was the same size, it felt the same speed, why even spend the money? I wouldn’t pitch that anyone needs a foldable, but by that comparison noone “needs” a $1600 ultra/pro phone when base models are $800-900, but people do anyway. As long as I can afford the upgrade every 3 years, I will get the new one. when the screen finally gives.
(almost) fully agree. However, I think people are just waiting for the next “game changer” since it’s been quite long since the “smartphone” was launched… and as you say, foldables obviolsy didn’t fill that desire. Computers, on the other hand, has seen some quite big improvements lately. Mainly with small, energy efficient chips (like the m1, m2…) so there is hope for a not so stagnant market with only marginal gains.
You don’t buy Apple products for the technology or innovations anymore, now you buy Apple products for the bragging rights of being able to pay premium prices for things everyone else has been using for a decade that have a lot more features for a fraction of the price.
This is a take I would expect to see on Reddit, it’s simply not true. None of those devices run iOS either which is what a lot of people prefer. It’s okay to dislike something, you don’t need to insult the people that do.
There’s nothing overtly insulting here unless you consider implying ignorance an insult
There’s nothing ignorant about people who prefer iOS over Android. Yes, you’re being insulting in a chronically online way.
I didn’t write that I just observed how wrong you are
Premium Android phones are just as expensive as iPhones and come with worse software quality and shorter support periods.
$Maybe in the us but elsewhere the apple prices are nuts. I bought new s23 for 800$. There is no fucking way I’d pay 1200$ for much worse iphone.
Agreed, the prices for Android are much better when non-US tariffs are involved.
Except you can buy a pixel A series which will work just as well as the most expensive iPhone just slightly slower. I’m at about 3.5 years on a $350 pixel and still it’s the best phone I’ve owned. Yes I know you can buy cheaper iPhones too but aren’t they phasing that out? Like you now normally would have to buy a 1-2 year old model to get a price similar to that. My pixel was brand new and 4-5 months past release I think
The bugs on the PIxel 6 (returned after 2 weeks) and now with Android 12 on a Oneplus phone have me seriously thinking of buying an Iphone next time. Despite the fact I’d rather stay with Android, I’d make the switch and pay $300 more every three years for a phone that is relatively trouble free with decent support.
With 5 years of support too
Base iPhone is midrange device, not a flagship.
Seems like you care just as much as the people who do buy it for bragging rights.
I only hear: „mimimi, apple does not give me any reason to buy a new phone every year.“ just use your phone 5 years and try a new one then you will feel the difference. Source: I own a iPhone X and my girlfriend owns a iPhone 12 pro
iPhone users wouldn’t piss on the best part of an innovative phone if it was on fire. Who are we kidding?
I just miss all the backwards comparability Jobs used to maintain. When he was driving the bus, he may have been a complete asshole, but he made sure a 12 year old mac computer could still work with the new tech, as best as it could.
Snow Leopard was the last, glorious OSX that was secure (enough), and very malleable.
Now? I want to dump their whole ecosystem.
I hear Linux is on the rise. ;)
I don’t think Apple has every really had great backwards compatibility. Apple’s last PowerPC computers shipped in 2005, and in 2009 Snow Leopard released with no PowerPC support. That’s 4 years of upgrades, which is about the same as it is now for macOS.
Hear this remark every year now.
Ngl they kinda are right. The last time I saw a feature that made me consider them was maybe like 4-6 years ago. I still bloody love Ipods tho.
Did you forget about the groundbreaking feature of the removal of the audio jack?
And the micro SD card
And the SIM card tray
Honestly fuck Apple for that and starting that fucking stupid ass trend.
That’s probably true for most phones. There’s only so much you can do with the black obelisk they’ve all become and now we’re just quibbling over what external connections they have. I mean you could tweak the camera, put in a better battery, better processor…but the obelisk phone is done as far as what can be “innovated”.
I just want a 3d holoprojector on my phone, is that so much to ask?
Yeah agreed.
No matter what the subject, the NY Post is not even good for toilet paper.
I would like to give apple credit for not rebranding USB Type-C and claiming they invented it.
Well, they actually participated in it’s invention, so it would be nice if the average lemmy user would educate themselves instead of just blindly repeating what Android fanboys are pulling out of their asses.
Eh. I mean, are there any great innovations left when it comes to smartphones? They kinda all just look and do the same nowadays.
They sure made USB3 look like a breakthrough innovation, though…
are there any great innovations left
Honestly, this is such a weird take because, yes. Of course there are innovations left, you just cannot think of them yourself now because then they obviously would not be innovative but rather same old same old. Now the rate of new innovations probably did slow down a lot, I agree with that, so its harder to find something that is innovative in this space.
Apple fans are delusional, the iPhone has always don’t tiny ass incremental changes. This is par for the course.
