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        • @[email protected]
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          171 year ago

          Considering the musk fanboys still pretend that tesla were the saviors of automobiles (because they marketed hybrids to death and overinflated their range so that other companies couldn’t compete on paper until recently) and all the insanity and revisionist history regarding spacex (even self landing rockets wasn’t an innovation…): Yeah

          Because at the time when people might not be fully tribalized? The only voices who can actually speak to a cybertruck are, at worse, people like MKBHD who will say “I had some concerns and it is still a bit weird, but overall I love it”.

          So by the time critical outlets that don’t have to worry about keeping good terms with The Emerald Apartheid get a hold of it? Everyone will have already made up their minds and all other information is “fake news” or “people who are pissy they didn’t get a free truck”

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            1 year ago

            and all the insanity and revisionist history regarding spacex (even self landing rockets wasn’t an innovation…)

            Pretty sure the Falcon 9 made objectively true history due to being the first orbital rocket to successfully go thru re-entry and land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9_flight_20

            I agree with all your other points, but no need to discount SpaceX’s accomplishments just because Musk is an incompetent man child. Plenty of highly talented scientists and engineers work there, they can’t help it that their boss sucks ass. It’s not like he’s the one designing and engineering the rockets (but he’s surely the one claiming credit for all the work).

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              The DC-X was a self landing rocket long before musk got pissed off that the russians wouldn’t sell him an ICBM

              https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/dc-x-the-nasa-rocket-that-inspired-spacex-and-blue-origin

              Like most things spacex (and blue origin): it is less about “innovation” as it is more about having a filter between government funding and public oversight. When NASA fucks up? We best do a full investigation and slash their budget and blah blah blah. When private space industry fucks up? Oh ha ha, can’t make an omelette without cracking a few eggs and it is great that these heroic billionaires are spending their own money because I have no concept of government research grants or contracts.

              And plenty of those talented engineers were poached from existing infrastructure (NASA, JPL, Boeing, etc). Which, inarguably, slowed down government and government adjacent research and development drastically.


              And just to comment on the three likely repsonses to this

              1. It isn’t a true orbital vehicle. It was specifically meant for suborbital flight! Not really. It was designed from the ground up to support missions involving orbits, but largely was intended to rely on additional boosters to handle most of the flight. Which… makes sense. No need to carry around the extra weight so long as you Check Yo Staging as it were. That said, scope creep is a mother fucker.
              2. It never truly succeeded: Yeah. Politics, safety concerns, and the funding issues I described above
              3. That is only the crewed(-ish) craft, not the boosters. Spacex lands the boosters: Yeah… there are a lot of arguments for why that is not important and they can be summed up as “remember the glorious shitshow that was the space shuttle?”. These, and the heat shields/tiles, are what take the most stress and need to be inspected and evaluated the most. And there are very much diminishing returns where you stop trying to retrofit to reuse and just recycle. And recovering (and re-using) boosters has been a thing since the Apollo program (I think. The various rockets blur a bit in my brain)
              4. It didn’t have a cock and balls painted on it: That is indeed a musk special, you got me there.
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                11 year ago

                Huh? The DCX never made it off the drawing board. (They did build a smaller-scale demonstrator but it never made it to space.) Falcon 9 reusability is real and has been for almost a decade. And still, no one has built an orbital class rocket that can do the same.

                If you want to argue that propulsive landing is nothing new, you’re right there. We’ve been doing it since the 60s, but on the Moon and Mars. A reusable, orbital-class rocket is a true innovation.

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            61 year ago

            Tesla while not a lone savior of the EV market, did do a few things right, they showed that the EV concept could actually replace a car, and that you didn’t have to sacrifice styling or performance.

            They also showed other manufacturers that there was a demand for EVs

            Other manufacturers would have done the same in time, but Tesla did it first.

            Space Karen’s contribution to Tesla’s success can obviously discussed…

          • Pennomi
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            41 year ago

            I’m sorry, are you saying that Falcon 9 wasn’t the first orbital class landable booster? Because I must’ve missed something important in space history.

            Unless you’re talking about the Space Shuttle orbiter, which yes, is an astonishing piece of technology (and not a booster). But it’s not economically viable (or safe for humans) like Falcon is.

            Please don’t let your (completely reasonable) hate for Musk cloud reality - SpaceX has the absolutely best rocket in the world, at a mathematically provable level.

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        71 year ago

        There is no clause regarding lending it to just about anybody who’s asking, so reviewers will get their hands on one regardless.

        Though the actually vetted reviewers like mkbhd who then fail to get amazed despite trying really hard actually paint a better picture for me than a known skeptic shittalking it.

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        31 year ago

        Doesn’t sound like something someone who’s confident in their product would do. Either way, still doesn’t stop anyone from lending it out for reviewers.

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        21 year ago

        Seems like a crap tactic though, someone could easily lend it or rent it out to another reviewer.