Welp… There goes physical media…
Yep, I’m sure it’ll be gone Verbatim.
Take your upvote
Its an old code but it checks out 😅
It’s just one company, it’s not all the Blu-ray production stopping. I think the last time I bought any Sony recordable media was CD-Rs for my MP3 CD player in the mid 00s.
Sony owns the blu-ray format. I’m worried.
They do not own it, they did co-develop it. They’ve never owned it outright.
You thought blu ray sales would just continue forever?
Why are you worried about Sony owning the blu-ray format?
If they’re decreasing their production, it could mean that physical media is ending. If so, that fucking sucks because you can’t own anything anymore
There’s still the super-DVDs, or whatever they were called.
mega-discs
🏴☠️
I always preferred the rips fork Blu rays though. They had the highest quality video and audio and stuff. This sucks so much =(
EDIT: I just read someone else’s comment that although they developed it they don’t own it outright so that makes me feel a little better that hopefully other people can still make them.
I guess hard drives and SSDs don’t count as physical somehow?
Even on a streaming service, the files are stored physically somewhere.
All media is still, technically, physical media.
Even when you stream it locally and don’t have access to the file itself, it physically lives in your RAM for the duration of the stream.
hard drives and SSDs don’t count as physical
When was the last time you walked into any store and bought a feature length film or tv show on hard drive or SSD?
Even on a streaming service, the files are stored physically somewhere.
What is your plan when the licence agreement for your favorite series expires on your chosen streaming service and no other streaming service picks up the show?
All media is still, technically, physical media
No one is arguing this. You’re making the strawman arguement. The not-so-subtle undertone of the article is clear.
Quoting the article:
The planned job cuts come amid a decline in demand for traditional storage formats such as Blu-ray discs, with streaming services now the norm.
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The electronics and entertainment conglomerate will also gradually cease production of optical disc storage media products, including Blu-ray discs, according to the sources.
You will not be allowed to legally own tv shows or films and you should learn to like it. As I can tell from many of the other comments here, not many of us are fans of that idea.
This isn’t a hill I care enough to die on.
I’ve never bought a series in any format. It’s always been piracy and for at least the last 5 years catch and release.
What I mean is, I don’t want to keep series in any case.
That said, now I think about it, if I didn’t pirate everything then keeping copies of what I’d paid for world feel important
When was the last time you walked into any store and bought a feature length film or tv show on hard drive or SSD?
Well not ANYMORE!!! Not since Best Buy stopped carrying physical media!!!
/s
What is your plan when the licence agreement for your favorite series expires on your chosen streaming service and no other streaming service picks up the show?
Watch the other millions of hours of media that’s been released in the last 100 years
You are very much missing the point for the sake of a pedantic argument.
Someone else already perfectly illustrated the point in a comment below, so I guess I’m spared the effort.
it physically lives in your RAM for the duration of the stream.
It physically lives encrypted in your RAM and only temporarily. Remember TPM exists.
storing a movie in RAM does not count as having a physical copy of the movie. While RAM is a form of physical media, the data stored in RAM is volatile and temporary. A physical copy of a movie typically refers to a more permanent and tangible form of storage, such as on a hard drive, SSD, USB flash drive, CD, DVD, or Blu-ray disc.
Still there for the duration. Being encrypted just makes it akin to being inside a locked box. Being in RAM is like it being transferred in an escrow service.
I guess. Technically. I don’t usually count encrypted without the ability to decrypt as useful, but, I’ll give you the up arrow because technically correct is the best kind of correct.
Thanks, my point is simply just that data is still physical, no matter what.
A document locked inside a box that I personally don’t have a key to doesn’t make the document inside of it non-existent, just inaccessible to me, personally.
all this is understood, but the access is what’s paramount, not the state of the media
No, the data is not physical, it is either magnetic or electric.
Since most people still store their media on hard drives most media is purely magnetic.
In a solid state drive storage chip the data is stored electronicly.
Thanks, my point is simply just that data is still physical, no matter what.
Turn off the PC and see how well that no-matter-what applies…
A document locked inside a box that I personally don’t have a key to doesn’t make the document inside of it non-existent, just inaccessible to me, personally.
What’s the point of having inaccessible data?
How do SSDs and HDDs compare to optical disks in terms of stability in storage? SSD bits can lose charge over time until a lot of 1s read as 0s, right?
SSDs are pretty pricey for video. I use HDDs, mirrored. For some uses I put a SSD caching layer on top to speed up frequent R/W. Using only LVM, no fancy RAID hardware or anything.
ZFS FTW
I upgraded my datahoarding server to a pair of 18TB hard drives on ZFS with mirroring a little while back. It’ll be several years before I need to upgrade again, but I expect that when I do, SSDs will be cheap enough to go that route.
Already have a 10Gbps fiber connection to that server, so the hard drives are the bottleneck.
Commercially pressed discs don’t last forever, but longer than burnable discs. IIRC, they used to say 50 years for CDs, but in practice, it was a lot less. More like 20 or 30 if you store and handle them nicely. Easily less than 10 if you don’t.
Hard drives go bad over time; I don’t like trusting spinning platters much over 7 years. They can be OK, but they can suddenly stop working whenever.
SSDs are about the same as spinning platters.
I think we are talking about archival storage rather than storage in use. In which case hard drives can last decades.
I wouldn’t trust it that way, no. They might last decades. They also might not. It’s a gamble on any single drive, or even a few mirrored drives.
File system also matters. Modern ZFS has error checking that can handle some level of bit rot. Older formats generally don’t.
If it’s over 7 years or so, I want to get the data off of there.
Hard drives break down from use, not from sitting around. We aren’t talking about SSDs which while they don’t break down will experience data corruption over time. It’s not really a gamble at all with mirrored drives.
You’re also telling me things I already know. I already use ZFS. I agree that you should be using something with data integrity protection. Though ZFS isn’t always what you want for archival purposes.
Magnetic platters absolutely do break down from sitting around. Bearings and other mechanics can also go bad. For those things, a professional recovery operation could still get the data if you’re willing to pay, but the drive itself should be thrown out.
Edit: keep in mind that with bit rot, the drive may superficially function just fine. Your data may even be 99% correct. That 1%, however, could cause unrecoverable problems, such as videos that glitch in the middle.
That’s why you use multiple drives with bitrot protection. Modern SSDs and HDDs have protections against bitrot built in, including internal checksums.
If you are running your hard drives once in a while, then bearing failure isn’t really a concern. You probably should be doing that anyway to refresh the data and make sure it doesn’t degrade. Regardless people have had 10 year old drives of older spin up first time. It’s not likely you are going to have a mechanical issue on multiple drives anyway.
If you refresh an SSD once every couple of years it will last decades.
You keep doing this thing where you presume I don’t know about some issue. Rather I know about these things, but they have fairly easy mitigations or are already solved.
the whole point is to stop you from owning physical media so they can arbitrarily raise prices by creating artificial cause and demand through artificial scarcity.
anyone remember when the argument for digital goods was " We wont have to waste money on boxes, printing, media, storage, or shipping! So your goods will be cheaper than ever, and everyone will still get a more profitable cut!"
Pepperidge farm Remembers, because Pepperidge farm called bullshit on the argument back at the very start, and said they would get rid of physical media, not lower prices, and that we would lose ownership of our purchases… and the internet poopoo’d me to hell in back calling me paranoid and stupid for it.
and look where we are.
and its so goddamn fucked up I don’t even get a single molecule of serotonin from being right about it.
The internet is chock full of idiots who piss all over Cassandra
who?
Not sure if joking, but just in case:
I would not in a thousand years have guessed greek mythology reference, lol
Now you know: you (and I) have the Curse of Cassandra
It fits.
Considering thats how its been my whole life.
Someone in my family once got severe burns on their hands cause i told them a pot was hot (It had been sitting on a grill, not like…a turned off stove where it had time to cool), to not touch it, and they rolled their eyes at me and said “what do you know” and picked it up… And yet it was my fault their hands were in bandages afterwards.
I dunno. Steam did it well enough. I was buying cheap games for years. I could get a kick ass GOTY game for like $5 while GameStop was still selling it used on consoles for $20.
You do realize you don’t “own” anything on Steam right? Every dollar you give them is towards a “subscription” to play the game.
While companies like Nintendo continually kill off game accessibility, Steam doesn’t really take away games from anyone. Digital distribution may not be ownership, but Steam in particular hasn’t given reason to worry.
For now but one day some corporation will buy Steam and turn into the endshitcation like all the rest.
Until that time will try to enjoy it while we can.
This is why I buy from GOG
While true for some games that require their online services. There’s nothing keeping you from downloading a game and backing up the install files on your own media to play later… A lot of games will run without steam open if you just run the executable…
That makes this even more depressing. Sailing the high seas is the life for me.
But where to store it all now?
More hard drives. RAID, rotate them out when they fail, more backups too. lol
Sounds pricey. Discs are cheap.
I’ve never had a CD/DVD R last more than a year anyway, even when using expensive media and slow burn speeds. So its not exactly archival.
Which brand do you use? Not a single Verbatim has ever failed me, neither DVD nor Blu-ray. I also use a full-size burner with 12V SATA-USB adapter, not those stupid “slim” ones.
Thank your deity that M-Disc exists.
Doesn’t matter that much for Blu-rays since they’re non-organic anyway. It mattered more for DVDs since they use organic dyes, but I couldn’t find any M-Disc DVDs in Poland.
Except it’s time consuming and requires you to get up and physically insert the disc. Plus off hdd, you can easily stream it anywhere…
Jokes on Sony, they stopped getting my money years ago.
Damn, that’s some Qanon-level shit.
I mean, except it’s not a conspiracy. The death of physical media is an actual tragedy because digital media is nowhere near as free.
It’s to the point where much of the media I love is actually not available legally and officially for physical ownership, in some cases becoming actual lost media physically, and not available for purchase or even download anymore.
Companies absolutely want to control the consumption of media in more restrictive ways that they can control, it’s not a conspiracy, it’s the actual truth.
DRM, always online, digital only, subscription services - they are all designed to remove you further and further from being an owner.
Everything from video games, music, movies…all entertainment media is moving in this direction and it’s an actual tragedy.
becoming actual lost media physically
Reminded me of that Cowboy Bebop episode where they so hunting for a VCR.
and the fact that they’ve already done it with the disney vault.
Or… they’re stopping production because there’s very little demand. Nah, that can’t be it.
If you think the demand isn’t there, you’re out of touch. It’s certainly true that many consumers are choosing digital content, but it’s largely driven by it not having inconvenienced them so far too.
Everyone I’m seeing who lost the 3DS and Wii U stores, or lost access to all the games in their account, or even people who purchased media they can’t download and access again is realizing how big this problem is.
I found 8 brands of DVD±R discs—none of them Sony—before I stopped counting. If you think one company stopping production is going to stop people from using physical media, or that demand hasn’t been falling for years, YOU are the one who’s badly out of touch.
Let me spell it out for you: as long as there is demand, someone will find a way to make money filling it. No company, no matter how evil it is, can remove a product category from the market just by leaving the market. Suggesting that a company choosing to stop making a commodity product is an attempt to prevent you from having access to said product is nonsense no matter what company and product you’re talking about, because such a plan could never work.
How many headphone jacks do you see today? All it takes is one big player, and adoption can fall just like that.
And yet you can still buy phones with headphone jacks. Because there is demand for them. The reason you didn’t see many is because the demand is a lot less than what Lemmy users would have you believe.
After spending all that money and effort to kill HDDVD. 😆
That was 15 years ago.
So here’s how HDDVD can still win…
There is a ton of HD-DVD disc rot today. For a format, it definitely did not hold up to age.
I’ll be sure to buy extras, since it’s clear this is yet another push towards the consumer market not deserving to own their media.
Apparently “recordable media” here means the kind you can record on at home, e.g. CD-R, DVD-R.
? . . . as opposed to - ?
As opposed to the discs movies are sold on.
Ah! Yes. Hm. Well then . . . where do distributors get theirs from? Not Sony, presumably?
Pressed discs have a completely different manufacturing method
? Did not know that. I assumed they were essentially WORMs but otherwise identical. Do they not use the same laser or something like that?
Pressed discs (like movies) are physically… pressed. They make a metal mould which is then stamped into melted plastic to make the pits and lands and then coated with a metal film to make the reflected backing, filling in the pits. This makes manufacturing of millions of disks extremely cheap since it takes seconds per disc. Burning commercial disks individually in thousands of burners would be way too slow/expensive.
Wow just like vinyl, sort of huh? That’s fascinating, I never considered it.
- as opposed to +
WELCOME TO THE RABBIT HOLE
Ah, now that makes more sense, my PC doesn’t even have a drive bay.
Uh oh.
That one died a few days ago too.
Right as I’m getting into minidisc too
Eyyy yes! I just picked up an MZ-N505 a few months ago! It’s been great at work to quickly start music without staring at my phone for 5 minutes first.
I was just getting the hang of cassettes !
“Press Play on tape.”
(makes lunch)
“File found. Loading…”
(takes a bath, goes for a walk, reads a book…)
Ah the memories…
You can get some pretty cheap used ones. At less than $2 each.
Yeah but the thing that helps keep them at $2 is a supply of new ones
I think the data variant stores 1GB… good enough for archiving invoices and the like…
Damn. I was just starting to rebuild my physical catalog so I could get away from streaming.
Movies are not sold on recordable media, they are sold on pressed discs. There are a lot more manufacturers than just Sony too.
Keep doing it. Especially niche titles.
You think I can find tv shows like greg the bunny, or clerks the animated series? And then TV shows start retroactively saying whats ok to show and whats not. Then pulling the episodes from streaming.
Or maybe the rights run out, and no other streaming picks it up.
I’ve started building mine up again, too, because too often a movie I want to watch isn’t available to stream and purchasing a physical copy costs less than a digital copy.
thin laptops and LED Disco Cases killed CD-readers anyways. it’s a shame to loose a cheap way of making media archives, but it is what it is.
Lose*
Keep in mind that though this is a blow to the industry, it’s not like optical media is just yet dead. Hell, there are still new releases to DVDs coming out today.
Downgrading from blu-ray to dvd is extremely grim.
I guess current codecs can make miracles with 4GB of disk space
If I wanted to watch movies destroyed by compression, I’d go streaming. Blu-ray allows for way less compression. There’s a reason Blu-ray remuxes aren’t DVD-sized. Heck, some movies don’t even fit on a single layer Blu-ray! Do you want to compress that to 4.7 GB? And that’s only main title, without extras!
Space jam 3! And independent film featuring bugs 🐛 and a 🐇 bunny. The Matrix Housing Crisis… A film featuring Keanu as the one. He doesn’t collect enough retirement money so he’s out there pushing a cart. We saw a preview of him in “the matrix”. That bum in the subway… anyway good movie 😂.
So that they can fully control the fate of digital media for “normal” people. Better not lapse on that subscription or fail to upgrade to the latest Sony TV… “Your” media library might not like that, be a shame if you lost access to those pretty titles you love…
MiniDisks too? Nooo!
Wow I’m having a hard time believing that Sony of all people would abandon a technology
I’m perfectly fine with storing media on flash drives. Optical disks just adds an unnecessary step between me and enjoying my movies.
Flash loses bits of data without power
